On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Brian Taylor wrote: > Alex: I realize this isn't your central point but I'm curious what > benchmark(s) you're citing?
Hi Brian, Here is an older list of application level (computation + visualization) benchmarks: http://weup.sourceforge.net/demos/rm/index.html look for instance at the eColi simulation. http://weup.sourceforge.net/demos/rm/rm.html?app=EcoliModel or the game of life a newer version compared performance to Java and Lisp (CCL) Alex You need to hit the compile button to run > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Alexander Repenning <[email protected]> > wrote: > One point made: > > > It’s probably faster than most dynamic languages. > > is still mostly true but as I am tracking the speed of JavaScript versus > Common Lisp I can see a scary performance cross over point in the near future > (months). Already, in some of our benchmarks JavaScript running in OS X > Chrome is getting very close (10% gap) to Clozure Common Lisp. Why is that? > Common Lisp has gone STALE. The Common Lisp community preserves Lisp instead > of advancing it. The result: flatline! As far as I can tell non of the > exciting JIT compiler technologies developed in the last couple of years have > made it into any CL implementation. If you follow this trend you may conclude > the right thing to do, if you want to continue to use Lisp, would be to > compile it down to JavaScript, yes, JavaScript, not C or direct to binary. > > Same thing with IDEs: stale, flatline.. Perhaps with the exception of > LispWorks it appears that most Lisp programmers are just fine with Emacs. > Well, Emacs was great 35 years ago. Remember the actually innovative IDEs of > Lisp on Lisp machines? Is SLIME really the best we can do now? Take Clozure > CL. As far as I can tell most people, including some the developers perhaps, > are using SLIME too. Start using something new. For instance start using the > Cocoa based CCL IDE. Yes, still primitive but with real opportunities to > create some fine IDE tools that actually would look OK even to a 21 Century > computer science students. Nowadays, even browser (e.g., Safari and FireFox) > have debugging tools built in that make SLIME look like last century > technology that belongs to a computer museum. > > The Lisp community is not only small but also fragmented. The 21 century > computer science world need no more essays explaining why Common Lisp is the > way it is (stale). It is time to leap into action and to IMPLEMENT stuff that > is not just interesting to the Common Lisp community but to computer science > in general. Play with Clozure Common Lisp the IDE version (Mac and Window). > Do not just get frustrated and switch back to Slime but ask yourself "what > can YOU do for Common Lisp (or more specifically CCL) to make it cool again" > > best, Alex > > > > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Daniel Weinreb wrote: > > > This is a very nice essay to help people get over their > > initial problems with Lisp: > > > > http://pavelpenev.posterous.com/learning-lisp-the-bump-free-way > > Prof. Alexander Repenning > > University of Colorado > Computer Science Department > Boulder, CO 80309-430 > > vCard: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf > > > > _______________________________________________ > pro mailing list > [email protected] > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pro > Prof. Alexander Repenning University of Colorado Computer Science Department Boulder, CO 80309-430 vCard: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~ralex/AlexanderRepenning.vcf
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