On 11. nov 2004, at 18:18, Bob Marchant wrote:


On 11 Nov 2004, at 00:33, Andrew Woods wrote:

Rolls Royce approach will involve bespoke camera profiling, done in addition
to calibration this will involve the creation of an input icc profile...
Whether and how well this works I don't know..

In theory it should work well

tecnically that's impossible.
ICC profiling is a substitute for the built in calibration, an "either or approach". It can't be used "in addition to calibration".


It certainly is on my list of
things to test and will be looked at properly now CS5 is out for real (this
function is only supported in the latest release).

In practice there appears to be some huge anomalies in how CS5 works.

In regard to profiling Sinar has made some, ahem, implementation decisions I strongly disagree about and has said as much in May when I first got the software. Some of these implementations issues, makes it very hard (not impossible) to profile any sinarback (been there done that, has a stack of T-shirts to prove it).
It's one of those things that seem simple enough that you think you got working - until it bites you in the rear and you are back to square one...


Others on this list will
have direct info on this, which I'm sure will give some help as to whether
it's appropriate, it is expensive..

It is expensive and time consuming , especially when no answer is yet been given as to how CS5 is actually configured to make best use of profiling ,

Making use of profiles isn't a big problem, building them is. In regard to using profiles there is pretty much everything one could ask for except the ability to export camera data with a profile assigned (which isn't converted to a working space).


and given that some camera profiling software and camerasoftware/ firmware still pushes one in the direction of pretty pictures instead of accurate ones.

Camera software may, but that's the built in approach. When you build camera profiles you can find that middlepoint YOU (or you) prefer between completely accurate and pleasing contrasty/saturated, and trust me very few people, mostly museums shooting art reproduction, are interested in totally accurate (within the constraints of current reproduction technology).

Best Regards

Thomas Holm / Pixl ApS

- Colour Management Consultant
- Apple Solutions Expert
- Remote Profiling Service (Output ICC profiles)
- Seminars speaker and tutor on CM and Digital Imaging etc.

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