Thanks for the heads up Dan I think they are becoming as bad as google, watching everything you do. I did prefer to use Bing but now Im not so sure either of them are truthful. For example do a google search. Pick one of the top ones and the browser tells you it's going to the site, but it doesn't. It goes to googleservices first. Well it would do if I had not put a host file on. They are all frauds. I will look into Start8. It says 8.1 allows more than one metro app. Well I've not yet found a metro app worth bothering about. They are usually lesser products. Non the less I will upgrade to 8.1. If I was not so techie I might have stayed with 7. But once you get used to metro's search its easier. Looks like the start button is a joke then. Al
-----Original Message----- Hi, Allen I have a developer release of the real 8.1, which I just installed as an upgrade over my dual-boot Win 8. Install went very well, and I did not lose any applications. Yes, there's a start BUTTON but no MENU. I already had Start8 (menu) and ModernMix (Metro apps in a window), the upgrade preserved them, and you will definitely want them. $4.99 each from Stardock.com. I haven't seen any bugs yet, but you will definitely need to plan a lot of time for setup. There are some very nasty privacy issues around the use of Bing to target advertising. You can turn it off, but you'll need to work at it. Worst thing I've hit so far: under Privacy, went to turn off the targeted advertising. There's a video to play on how advertising is so good for you. But it's a Flash video (I thought MS didn't like Flash!), and it wanted to update my Flash Player. I said OK, and then noticed that the update included McAfee "Security Scan Plus". I un-checked it ok, but you should NOT be getting drive-by downloads from a Microsoft program!! Anyway, whether you like it or not, it works fine. Dan _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00bb01cec9e5$4ed3a4f0$ec7aeed0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

