On Jun 22, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Bill Arnold wrote:

> I believe that OT has been slowly sinking over a long period of  
> time at
> the hand of two hecklers and their bombardments. We (I, anyway) tried
> filters, but it doesn't work because it leaves them unchallenged and
> they only feed on that.

        No, they feed on attention. Leaving them "unchallenged" is fine,  
because nobody with half a brain takes them seriously in the first  
place.

> Since a total of 1 person voted on whether to continue or shut down
> discussion on the most important subject of our times, I have to
> conclude that either apathy rules or nobody is listening.

        More likely the latter. This isn't "news"; this has been a mountain  
of lies from the beginning, even to the point that even opponents  
like yourself are still tricked into calling this a "war", when it is  
actually an occupation.

> In any case, what I see is that further discussion here on the subject
> of the war is, for now anyway, just a waste of time. Attitudes will
> change when things get worse, but I do wonder if then people will  
> listen
> to reason or react blindly out of fear.

        Attitudes *did* change when things got worse, among people who may  
have been initially in favor of the invasion but who later realized  
that they were lied to. Those who continue to spew the same talking  
points rationalizations are not interested in the truth; they are  
only interested in appearing to not have to admit that they were and  
are wrong.

> I'm going to turn all of my attention to work for now. My business has
> definitely suffered from precious time and attention diverted, and I'm
> probably on 'black lists' to boot. I do stand by every word I've said,
> and have no regrets.

        It only makes sense to invest time in discussions if they might bear  
fruit. Arguing with talking points and dogma is never productive.


-- Ed Leafe
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