Gil,
It is well worth a look believe me.

As for PH, I had the pleasure of seeing them and playing on the same set as
them when I used to play regularly in the late 60's. One of my favourite
bands and songs.

Dave Crozier


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Gil Hale
Sent: 17 January 2008 20:42
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NF] Windows XP OR Windows Vista ???

A "whiter shade of pale" (pale gray), heh-heh.  I think I am going to look
at what these folks have to offer.  Sounds interesting, and likely useful
for my purposes....

btw, "A whiter shade of pale" is a great tune from the late 60s by a rock
bank named Procol Harum,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Whiter_Shade_of_Pale.

Gil

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:34 PM
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Gi,
The thing is about Virtuozzo that the physical machine is only running one
version of 2K3 i.e. one kernel. The virtual machines are simply spawned
front ends and NOT a complete operating system - hence the fact that you can
create a brand new VM in about 4 minutes.

So, in effect you are only running the O/S once.

Dave Crozier


-----Original Message-----
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Of Gil Hale
Sent: 17 January 2008 17:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NF] Windows XP OR Windows Vista ???

> Legally though, yes - or at least a grey area.

Not as gray an area as running a compiled VFP app under Linux using WINE and
technically needing no correlating Windows OS to do so.  M$ seems to think
we would need a license, but if I recall correctly through some clever
weasel-wording M$ did not clarify if that was a legal/license requirement or
a technical matter.  So who wants to take them on in court over that?
Cheaper to seek alternate solutions, pay for the OS even if not used or not
run VFP under Linux/WINE).

As for the multiple OS sessions under Virtual Machines I bet M$ would take
the position that there is Use Value in having multiple OS sessions running
in a Virtual Machine, therefore they would be entitled to the OS license
revenue for each VM OS session.  I have to say that I would have a hard time
disagreeing with a position like that if indeed a Windows OS was being run
as separate sessions under multiple machines, virtual or physical.

Gil


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:11 PM
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Peter,
Yes, we have MSDN. However when you spawn another Virtual server you aren't
asked for any registration/activation code. Think about it, the base
operating system is only being used once and all you are doing is spawning a
new front end.

Legally though, yes - or at least a grey area.

Dave Crozier

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Peter Cushing
Sent: 17 January 2008 16:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NF] Windows XP OR Windows Vista ???

Dave Crozier wrote:
> My aim is then to migrate the Virtual server environment onto a new 64 bit
> HP dedicated serve box including raid drives etc. as a replacement for our
> main 32 bit data servers at the end of next month at the latest and then I
> will use the 64 bit box for my own development work. Then I will be
running
> 5 servers on the box, the additional one hosting the VFP data and user
files
> which will be replicated on a shadow box using Doubletake.
>
<snip>
Sounds like a good setup Dave.  As you say with having everything on the
one box, it has to be a good machine with raid etc.

> The nice thing about Virtuozzo is that is uses software
> virtualization which only has one core operating system (Win 2K3) running
on
> it and then you "spawn" a new operating system front end and only keep one
> kernel running. This means that it is very quick and the degradation
running
> multi O/S's is minimal - the only drawback being that the other OS's have
to
> be 2K3.
>
Am I right in saying you have to have a licence for each copy of 2K3 you
use, unless you've got MSDN?

Thanks for the info.

Peter



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