On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Dave Crozier <[email protected]> wrote: > Stephen, > I guess you are correct. The good thing is that at least in this type of > marked M$ have some competition which obviously results in all the competing > products evolving into better solutions. > > The biggest problem both of them have at the moment is not the > infrastructure but outsourcing. In that 90% of the devs have been outsourced > to people from Asia because of cost. Unfortunately it would seem that > although they are technically qualified they have little if no practical > business experience which has resulted in massive project delays and > associated cost. The original team were made up of about 50 European and > Australasian devs who although expensive were very good. > > The workforce has now more than doubled even though the costs probably are > less in total but there would seem to be a total lack of "cohesion" and work > ethos within the team. I guess that this is the result of short term "cost > saving" when it comes to recruiting and shows that whatever platform you > choose for a project then it will be useless without the people who > understand the logistics and infrastructure adequately. > > Still, I digress here as we are getting away from the hardware discussion > but it does beg the question you posed regarding the acceptance of .Net > technology by VFP devs. My take on the situation has changed radically over > the last 6 months and in fact since .Net 3.x which has now matured into a > stable platform with superb development tools. I still think the whole of > the .net framework is far to big which doesn't halp when you are trying to > learn not just the language but also the framework but once you have > mastered it you can usually do many more things than in VFP - and with less > effort which look prettier as well. I still just wish that M$ would/should > have incorporate the ease of data handling from day 1 into both c# and .net. > > Currently I am using the Strataframe framework to build .net applications in > c#. For those of you not in the know it was developed by ex VFPer's and this > shows. Data binding is a breeze and you can use the data based logic of VFP > when designing applications so tha meny years of VFP rigour are still > useful. All in all a recommended product and reasonably priced. --------------------------------------
I am attempting to learn nHibernate as my ORM. When finished I will write up a comparison between that and .NET 3.5 Entity Framework and Linq. The documentation for nHibernate is waiting to be written, I hope because what they have for general use is awaful! Comments like "for more details refer to our java product." I use to use Mere Mortals in the early days of my VS coding. Since then I have tried CSLA and found that great as a framework for a framework, and the price of free is pretty good as well. We could script out to XML all the needed elements for a code generator to gen an application from our XML. this would make the database, tables, triggers, SPs, all bizobjects and web pages as well as code behind .vb files. So in a weeks time we would disect a complex app and put enough elements into the xml for the generator to knock off a great display of the app running. I'd say it was 80-85% complete the lacking code was complex bizlogic that was better handled by a coder vs. the generator. I have also worked in shops that wrote their own EF in .NET 2.0, modified in ver 3.0 and dropped it like a rock with 3.5 choosing the EF and Linq to SQL that shipped with VS208. My current gig is M$ simplest for 2.0 where all data binding on web pages is through an ObjectDataSource. It ties to SPs in your db real easliy so all your stuff is tied up nicely. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Production Systems Programmer First Horizon Bank Memphis TN 901.246-0159 _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
