A) i On Nov 10, 2010 9:25 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> wrote: > A) I live outside the USA and listen to people and their comments including > politicians > B) The USA health system is routinely held up as a model of what NOT to do. > C) the fact you don't think health care is a basic right says more than > anything else about how far your country has slipped. > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > 58 Norrie Ave > Clovelly Park 5042 > P: +61 8 8277 6380 M: 0414 965 226 F: +61 8 8177 1290 W: www.srit.com.auE: > [email protected] > TAKE THE SURVEY! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/976V5JT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Michael Oke, II > Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:49 PM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > > Please explain, if you can, how health care is a basic right? > > And there is not nearly the scorn for the US health care system as you > imagine or hope that there is. > > ::michael > On Nov 10, 2010 9:11 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Nicholas Geti >> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:23 PM >> To: ProFox Email List >> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill >> >> Who cares about what the rest of the world thinks. They know nothing about > >> the United States on any topic just as I know nothing about Australia > except >> >> what I read in a few paragraphs on some Internet news article a few times > a >> year. Nor do I care. >> >> YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD AND THAT IS A FAIRLY TYPICAL >> AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE. >> >> There are a few who rant and rave about conditions in the U.S. but don't >> live here and have no clue. I say they are green with envy and have some >> kind of axe to grind about their own condition. I am happy with our health > >> system. I have top-notch doctors who take care of me just fine, thank you. >> >> AS IF TO PROVE MY POINT. ** YOU ** have good doctors. I know that > indulgent >> self-interest is a human condition, but do you have to refine it so well? >> >> It always amazes me how people can blow off how bad it is here and yet > there >> >> are 10 million illegals here who are taken care of for free and more keep >> coming every day. I have mentioned in the past how generous the U.S. has >> been over the years to all the world but you just ignore it and pick out >> some pathetic comments by others who are far from experts. >> >> DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT TO YOU? The illegals aren't coming from >> Canada but from mexico. It would be difficult to find a more violent and >> more disgusting place to live than there. We have a lot of illegals trying >> to get here too. Its not like you are the only ones with that problem. And >> we acknowledge your country's generosity many times, but it wears a bit > thin >> after a while when you nearly take the world into a depression because of >> your own greed and staggering fiscal incompentence. >> >> We have not failed. Our stock market is booming and soon will translate > into >> >> jobs. I am taking down $40,000 per month in the stock market so I cannot >> complain. We have discussed at length what caused our depression so I will > >> not repeat it here. >> >> WELL IT WOUDL SEEM THAT you are the only commentator talking about your >> booming economy. Your stock market is merely recovering lost ground. And >> again as if to prove the point **YOU** are doing well so bugger the rest. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> >> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:29 PM >> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill >> >> >>> Well it actually IS on the subject since the subject was health care. You >>> would be amazed (and probably surprised) at the level of scorn and > mocking >>> that is directed at the American health system from virtually anywhere in >>> the first world. Health care is a basic right given to all, well at least > >>> in >>> MOST first-world countries it is. And many posters have in previous >>> threads >>> made significant comment on those who 'dont deserve' health care. You > have >>> built an economy based on some fine principles, but the flip side of that >>> has brought you near depression and a level of debt and financial > disaster >>> that is unparalleled. Good lessons there to be learned and apparently > very >>> few of them have been. It seems a uniquely American attitude to strive > for >>> the best - for me and mine. It works - and works well - until you fail. >>> And >>> then you end up with no welfare, no food, no health care and no hope. And >>> all of this is brought to you by the nation with more billionaires than >>> the >>> rest of the planet combined. Your health debate is actually about FAR > MORE >>> than health. It is a litmus test on your national character. It describes >>> who you are and what your true national priorities are. And apparently > the >>> poor aren't one of them. By supporting your poor - undeserving tho they >>> may >>> be - in real and genuine ways you may discover a hidden resource in your >>> nation: compassion. >>> >>> Here's hoping. >>> >>> Geoff Flight >>> General Manager >>> >>> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf >>> Of Nicholas Geti >>> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 12:47 PM >>> To: ProFox Email List >>> Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill >>> >>> Well, you certainly have made a leap here and changed the subject. There >>> is >>> nothing about "deserving it" in any of the debate. It is about the waste >>> involved and the 1000s of pages of rules that no one understands. Also >>> about >>> >>> illegals coming in the U.S. to get free care and busting the budgets of >>> many >>> >>> cities. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "geoff" <[email protected]> >>> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:15 PM >>> Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill >>> >>> >>>> It is quite amusing for us out here watching the so-called 'land of the >>>> free' and 'bastion of democracy' show that its 'light on the hill' is >>>> slowly >>>> going out. The essential argument against the health reforms is that >>>> people >>>> who 'don't deserve it' will get it. Don't deserve health care? There is > a >>>> reason your country is going down the toilet. It has been said that the >>>> true >>>> test of the character of a nation is how it treats its poor and most >>>> vulnerable. The USA is the richest nation on the planet yet has the >>>> highest >>>> rate of poverty outside the 3rd world. The test of character is one that >>>> you >>>> have failed. >>>> >>>> And just for the record... we have universal health care and have mostly >>>> budget surpluses and little to no govt debt. It CAN be done - but only > by >>>> people with the drive and compassion to see it done. >>>> >>>> Geoff Flight >>>> General Manager >>>> >>>> Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Nicholas Geti >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 4:08 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill >>>> >>>> A taxpayer voting for a Democrat is like a chicken voting for Col. >>>> Sanders. >>>> Democrats are trying to say that Supreme Court precedence permits > forcing >>>> taxpayers to buy something they don't want. >>>> >>>> >>> >> > http://visiontoamerica.org/story/legal-challenge-could-derail-health-care-la >>>> w.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>> multipart/alternative >>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>> text/html >>>> --- >>>> [excessive quoting removed by server]
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