No one said my country was perfect. The points you bring up are quite valid and a stain on our past. I have been for all of my life an enthusiastic supporter of the USA and your way of life. It is only in the last 10 years that my disappointment has grown. Gitmo, torture, spying on your own citizens and the relentless growth of the rich at the expense of a massive underclass have driven a lot of people like me to lose faith in what was once a great country run on principles and policies designed to do good. I rejoined at the collapse of the USSR and the winning of the cold war. I now see that it has made the USA a worse place. 20 years ago an administration that tortured would be JAILED. Not now. Like it or not, a large part of the world has watched in dismay as the USA has lost its way and its moral leadership. You are rich and powerful, but you are also mean and ugly. It didn't used to be so. 60 years ago the USA tipped the balance in WW2 and saved us from dictatorship on two fronts. It was your brightest moment in history and now... now we wonder what happened to that same country. Would the soldiers that liberated the nazi death camps have expected that their country would one day set up its own concentration camp in gitmo? Would it believed that their president would permit and authorise the use of torture? Yet all this has come to pass and the voices of condemnation are few.
I want the old USA back. The one that was strong and powerful in more than military might. Your moral backbone is disintegrating. Time to get it back. Geoff Flight General Manager Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti Sent: Friday, 12 November 2010 9:08 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill It is also amazing how foreigners always try to tell us how to run things and tell us how evil we are. I don't tell you how to run your country so why tell me how to run mine. Besides, Australia is not the brightest light in the universe. Consider what you people did to the Aborigines by taking away their children and trying to raise them as white. Consider also what you did with boat people attempting to land on your shore and escape from the oppression in the countries north of Australia. I bet Aborigines are heavily discriminated against even today. How presumptuous of you to think either I or anyone else doesn't care for our people. We have the highest expenditure on health care of any country in the world. I would like to bring that rate down to the average. As I said before there is too much waste and fraud so why am I so evil when I want to eliminate it? You generalize to the point of absurdity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff" <[email protected]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > It has probably not yet occurred to you, but this amazing thing called the > internet allows people to know a great deal about other countries without > visiting. It also allows us to read the opinions of people WHO do live > there. It is a peculiarly American attribute to be woefully uninformed > about > the rest of the world, but the rest of us are not so. Are you even aware > that Australia ALSO has a foreign aid program as well. We also send a lot > of > money to other countries. Only this week we sent $500M for schools in > Indonesia. East Timor basically runs on our largesse and so do a lot of > the > south pacific islands. > > Health care is ALWAYS expensive and difficult to do well. My issue with > most > of the attitudes on here is that you oppose even trying. Large numbers of > your population have little to no access to health care and people don't > seem to care. And there are even people on here arguing that access to > health care isn't even a RIGHT. Is there any wonder why the rest of the > world is so disappointed with the USA? Gitmo told us about the disdain you > have for foreigners and how they don't even deserve basic human rights and > due process. This health care argument shows that you don't even care for > your own people unless they are rich. > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > Sustainable Resources Industry Training Pty Ltd > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Nicholas Geti > Sent: Friday, 12 November 2010 12:19 AM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: Re: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > > It IS the lack of money. The crooks skim off lots of it before it gets to > the public. Also by the time the lawyers take their cut through litigation > which drives up insurance bills and the crooks pad their bills to the > government there is not much left. I just saw a statistic this week that > the > > four richest counties in the U.S. border Washington, D.C. These are where > government bureaucrats live and commute to work. The fastest growing work > force and the highest paid is in government. > > When I was growing up government workers were ridiculed because of the low > pay and useless activity. It has now changed to the highest paid (even > though useless activity remains rampant) worker. > > I know nothing about the health care business in Australia except for what > you say. I know anecdotally that health care in Canada and U.K. is very > bad > and bankrupt. Boston, Massachusetts has implemented a Canadian style > health > plan that takes on all comers much like you say for Australia. It is now > bankrupt and still bleeding. Illegals alone account for $300M in arrears. > > How do you know how much U.S. cares about the health of our people? It is > amazing to me that you can spout off about what we feel without actually > living here and getting first hand knowledge. Maybe if the U.S. would stop > sending so much money out to help poor countries we could do more here. > Look > > up on the Internet about the amounts we send to Haiti, Indonesia and > Africa. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "geoff" <[email protected]> > To: "'ProFox Email List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:15 AM > Subject: RE: [OT] Serious legal challenges to Health Bill > > > Thats the best you can do??? Ever heard of SCALING?? And if anything, the > fact that we are a country physically the same size as USA with 1/15th the > population density means that supplying infrastructure like health care > will > ALWAYS be more expensive that a densely populated country like yours. Yet > we > manage to not only supply health care at a fraction of the cost, we can > supply it to everyone. It isn't a lack of money holding you back. It is a > lack of will or even worse a lack of CARE. > > Geoff Flight > General Manager > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
