As I always say.
Your "left" would be termed "fascism" by the rest of the world.
El 17/10/12 15:43, lelandj escribió:
The Patriot Act was extended and Gitmo is still in operation.
Hopefully we will learn more about this in the next debate, which
covers foreign policy.
Below is an article from the NY Times:
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Excerpt:
WASHINGTON — Neither Barack Obama nor Mitt Romney has said much about
torture as part of terrorism investigations during the 2012 general
campaign. But the future of American government practices when
interrogating high-level terrorism suspects appears likely to turn on
the outcome of the election.
Mitt Romney said he plans to "use enhanced interrogation techniques
which go beyond those that are in the military handbook right now,” at
a news conference in Charleston, S.C., in December.
In one of his first acts, President Obama issued an executive order
restricting interrogators to a list of nonabusive tactics approved in
the Army Field Manual. Even as he embraced a hawkish approach to other
counterterrorism issues — like drone strikes, military commissions,
indefinite detention and the Patriot Act — Mr. Obama has stuck to that
strict no-torture policy.
By contrast, Mr. Romney’s advisers have privately urged him to
“rescind and replace President Obama’s executive order” and permit
secret “enhanced interrogation techniques against high-value detainees
that are safe, legal and effective in generating intelligence to save
American lives,” according to an internal Romney campaign memorandum.
While the memo is a policy proposal drafted by Mr. Romney’s advisers
in September 2011, and not a final decision by him, its detailed
analysis dovetails with his rare and limited public comments about
interrogation.
From comments:
Why is it okay to torture anyone we consider an enemy, especially if
that person is or may be Muslim but it's not okay for them to torture
our soldiers? Why is it okay to hold a suspect teenager for years in
Gitmo without telling his family he's there but not okay for them to
do it to our people? If we want to be considered humane it would serve
us well to be humane to those we hold in prison or in our power. It
seems as if some feel that creating enemies to defend against is more
important than decreasing the reasons they have to attack us. We had
the sympathy of nearly every country in this world after 9/11/2001.
Bush and company blew it. They marched us into one unnecessary war,
redefined prisoners of war as enemy combatants, and tortured some in
violation of the Geneva Convention. Now we have Romney complaining
that Obama, who has been unable to close Gitmo, has not been strong
enough?
If Romney wants to continue the Republican agenda of eliminating civil
rights, violating the Geneva convention with respect to POWs, I
suggest he look at what happens to regimes that do it. He has some
excellent examples in Africa, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East. I'm
sure that North Korea and China would be happy to give him some
pointers too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us/politics/election-will-decide-future-of-interrogation-methods-for-terrorism-suspects.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/9ctvjkd
Regards,
LelandJ
On 10/17/2012 01:11 PM, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
OTOH, (and these are real questions) has he taken down the patriot
act? Has he closed Guantanamo prison? Has he officially ended govt
condoning torture? Has he subjected US troops to international laws
as most countries do?
El 17/10/12 13:20, lelandj escribió:
On 10/17/2012 09:56 AM, Michael Oke wrote:
Are they the same goals that he had in 2008 because we all know how
well he did in accomplishing those.
If I were President Obama, I would be feeling very unappreciated
right now, considering all that was accomplished during his first
four year in office.
1) When president Obama assumed office in Jan 2008, the economy was
hemorrhaging jobs at the rate of around 800,000 to 600,000 per
month. This continued over a period of 10 to 12 months; before, the
Obama administration was able to reverse the trend. It is true
unemployment stayed above 8% for 43 months as Governor Romney
claims, but this is misleading in that around 12 months of that were
months in which the economy lost job, due to the Great Recession,
and the following 30 to 32 months the economy added jobs finally
bring unemployment down to 7.8%
2) The Great Recession of 2007 ended sometime during the summer of
2009, and the economy began to expand again; rather than contract
(eg deflate).
3) President Obama saved the auto industry.
4) President Obama passed Universal Health Care.
5) President Obama ended "don't ask, don't tell".
6) President Obama brought the stock market back form its DJIA low
of 6,547.05, March 9, 2009, to a high of around 13,500 today, which
is within striking distance of setting new all time highs.
7) President Obama appointed 2 women to the Supreme Court, one of
which was the first Hispanic to ever sit on the bench.
8) President Obama ended the war in Iraq and is bring the war in
Afghanistan to a close.
9) President Obama took out Osama bin laden
Below is a link to more:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
or
http://tinyurl.com/7xpxkge
Regards,
LelandJ
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