labs and demos On 22 Nov 2017 17:16, "Henry Rich" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Dictionary is notoriously difficult to learn the language from. It is > the fastest way to look something up once you know the language. I love it > because it it is the polished product of the great mind that envisaged this > language, and expresses the concepts in the tersest possible way. > > Most new users will find NuVoc easier to learn from. NuVoc's goal is to > be complete but also easy to get into. NuVoc spends pages to cover what > the Dictionary expresses in sentences. > > The Dictionary is mostly correct, but it is incomplete. The most accurate > documentation of the language is NuVoc. > > Henry Rich > > On 11/22/2017 3:32 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote: > >> Raul, >> >> Do you know if the documentation at http://www.jsoftware.com/help/ >> dictionary/contents.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/help >> /dictionary/contents.htm> has been kept up-to-date with these changes? >> If so, then the "last updated date" is wrong (which seems likely, since it >> is older than the copyright date of 2011 on the same page)—if not, the PDF >> from the earlier conversation is newer than the official dictionary. Either >> way it seems like something needs to be updated. >> >> On Nov 22, 2017, at 1:18 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, I believe there have been some changes in that time period. >>> Specifically, May 2001 was when J4.06 was released. This included u:, >>> s:, assertions, try./catch./throw. keywords, and some significant >>> changes to the 9!: series of foreigns. Probably these changes would >>> have been included in a 2001-05-03 version, though technically that's >>> a week before the release date. >>> >>> September 2002 was when J 5.01 was released. This removed [. and ]. >>> and ]: and 11 : and 12 : a half dozen foreigns, along with a few other >>> changes. These changes would not have been included in a 2001-05-03 >>> version. >>> >>> And then there's the change which eliminated x., y. and so on - it >>> might be worth remembering when that happened, and it might be worth >>> going through the other versions and noting other significant changes >>> to the language. >>> >>> These sorts of things can trip up a beginner who was expecting an >>> exact match between the documentation and the language. These issues >>> might be OK if the reader is willing to check the web site for >>> changes, or is willing to browse through the release notes to find all >>> the differences. http://www.jsoftware.com/help/user/relhigh.htm - >>> three clicks to find the details I mentioned here, and the first two >>> of those are not obvious. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Raul >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Daniel Lyons <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 12:51 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The edition doesn't matter, the core j language had been stabilized 2 >>>>> decades ago. >>>>> >>>> Thanks. This isn't obvious from the document, so I appreciate knowing >>>> this. >>>> >>>> PS. J general forum is mainly used for discussion of installation >>>>> issues. >>>>> It is unfortunate that its name is misleading. When unsure, post to >>>>> the j >>>>> programming forum. >>>>> >>>> I'll be sure and do that in the future. >>>> >>>> On Nov 22, 2017 12:22 PM, "Daniel Lyons" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Rob, >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Rob Hodgkinson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> So it is never really “out of date” but moreso “preserved” (perhaps >>>>>> one >>>>>> >>>>> day, after people experiment in new “dialects” and implementations >>>>> (courtesy of the open source licence) an updated edition may appear). >>>>> >>>>> Oh—I really didn't mean the book itself, just that edition of the book, >>>>> since I figured the one on the website/in the addons has been updated >>>>> since >>>>> then. But maybe that isn't true; the one on the website actually says >>>>> 2001-5-3 versus 2002-09-10. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Daniel Lyons >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daniel Lyons >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
