AMEN. When you try to uphold the rules of a language (which is done only by older people), you are fighting a lost battle.
R.E. Boss > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Programming <programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com> > Namens Henry Rich > Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2019 04:02 > Aan: programm...@jsoftware.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Jprogramming] Explicit vs tacit with assignment > > Think nothing of it. I was back in the highschool today, talking linear > algebra > to the very top layer of the high-performing students, having them write > proofs on the board. It is obvious that the distinction between "its" and > "it's" > is not observed in practice, even among these kids who are tomorrow's > elite. It will be gone in another 100 years. > > Back when I was teaching Latin, I tried to give examples of the difference > between transitive and intransitive verbs in English. I started, > > We say "I lay the book on the table: I lay it, I laid it yesterday, I have > laid it > there many times." > > We say "I lie down for a nap. I lie down, I lay down yesterday, I have lain > down..." > > the rest of the sentence was drowned out by cries of "No!". They had never > heard such a thing. My conclusion: "lie" is dead. Write it off. > > I have already written off "whom". The language evolves. > > Henry Rich > > On 11/20/2019 9:52 PM, Louis de Forcrand wrote: > > Just to correct a mistake that I always hate making: > > > > "... for use after _its_ application ..." > > > > Sorry for the noise, > > Louis > > > >> On 21 Nov 2019, at 03:49, Louis de Forcrand <ol...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > >> > >> (a,a=.?@#) is a verb, namely (?@# , ?@#). In this expression a is set to > >> the > _verb_ ?@# and then train (a,a) is evaluated. > >> > >> In the second case a is set to the _result_ of ?@# and then (a,a) is > evaluated. To do this tacitly: > >> > >> (] , ]) @ (?@#) > >> > >> or more concisely > >> > >> ,~@?@# > >> > >> or equivalently (how I would write it) > >> > >> 2 $ ?@# > >> > >> As Henry said, to store an intermediate value in a verb's evaluation for > >> use > _after_ it's application, you must use an explicit verb, for example: > >> > >> ,~ @ (3 : 'a=: y') @ (?@#) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Louis > >> > >>> On 21 Nov 2019, at 03:26, Nimp O <tr...@outlook.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello, simple question. > >>> > >>> This behaviour surprised me. > >>> > >>> (a,a=.?@#)'01234' > >>> 2 4 > >>> > >>> 3 : 'a,a=.?@#y' '01234' > >>> 1 1 > >>> > >>> Why a is not equal to a in the first case? How can I save the roll as an > intermediate result in the tacit version? > >>> Thanks. > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> -- For information about J forums see > >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
