Anyone following this thread may be interested in a short discussion between Igor Zhuravlov, Raul Miller, and myself on Raul's user_talk wiki page: https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/User_talk:Raul_Miller
/K > Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 15:59:29 -0500 > From: Jose Mario Quintana <jose.mario.quint...@gmail.com> > To: Programming forum <programm...@jsoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Explicit vs tacit with assignment > Message-ID: > <CABtFPKt21uj8RWg_xuU2ELX= > pr93ao8h4qhmojqnkk7wesx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > To break the rules deliberately one must first know where to swing! > > Certainly... > > "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist." > > Picasso > > Did he know of what he spoke? His father, a painter and a teacher, > reportedly overwhelmed gave his own palette, brushes, and colors to his > thirteen-year-old son stating that he will never paint again. This, > > https://www.pablo-ruiz-picasso.net/work-9.php > > illustrates what he knew when he was fifteen years old. > > Back to the subject of tacit assignment, how can one faithfully (to some > extent) reproduce the behavior of the explicit verb 3 : 'a,a=:?@#y' > (e.g, > > 3 : 'a,a=:?@#y' '01234' > 4 4 > a > 4 > > ) tacitly? (Yes, using a global assignment as opposed to the original > local assignment, to make things more interesting.) > > Right, producing named entities seems to be against the spirit of tacit > writing. In addition, a copula is neither a noun, verb, adverb nor > conjunction. Nevertheless, one can simply ignore those minor details and > go ahead anyway, > > (('a'"_) ,&:". 'a=: ' , ":@:?@#) '01234' > 3 3 > a > 3 > > (('a'"_) ,&:". 'a=: ' , ":@:?@#) '' > 0.732158184 0.732158184 > a > 0.732158184 > > Perhaps surprisingly, a more challenging puzzle is to reproduce the > behavior of, > > 4 :'(x)=:y' > > tacitly. > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:53 PM Louis de Forcrand <ol...@bluewin.ch> > wrote: > > > > To follow up on all this, while I am a member of the generation which > might write off "lie", I find that correct grammar and spelling are > qualities necessary (although certainly not sufficient) for writing clearly > and with good style, and in learning the former one inevitably improves on > the latter. > > > > To break the rules deliberately one must first know where to swing! > > > > Cheers, > > Louis > > > > > On 21 Nov 2019, at 18:21, Jose Mario Quintana < > jose.mario.quint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > "By all means break the rules, and break them beautifully, deliberately > and > > > well." > > > > > > Bringhurst, Robert (2005). The Elements of Typographic Style > > > > > > PS. I try to keep that in mind when writing (particularly in J). > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:26 AM R.E. Boss <r.e.b...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >> AMEN. > > >> > > >> When you try to uphold the rules of a language (which is done only by > > >> older people), you are fighting a lost battle. > > >> > > >> > > >> R.E. Boss > > >> > > >> > > >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > >>> Van: Programming <programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com> > > >>> Namens Henry Rich > > >>> Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2019 04:02 > > >>> Aan: programm...@jsoftware.com > > >>> Onderwerp: Re: [Jprogramming] Explicit vs tacit with assignment > > >>> > > >>> Think nothing of it. I was back in the highschool today, talking > linear > > >> algebra > > >>> to the very top layer of the high-performing students, having them > write > > >>> proofs on the board. It is obvious that the distinction between "its" > > >> and "it's" > > >>> is not observed in practice, even among these kids who are tomorrow's > > >>> elite. It will be gone in another 100 years. > > >>> > > >>> Back when I was teaching Latin, I tried to give examples of the > > >> difference > > >>> between transitive and intransitive verbs in English. I started, > > >>> > > >>> We say "I lay the book on the table: I lay it, I laid it yesterday, I > > >> have laid it > > >>> there many times." > > >>> > > >>> We say "I lie down for a nap. I lie down, I lay down yesterday, I > have > > >> lain > > >>> down..." > > >>> > > >>> the rest of the sentence was drowned out by cries of "No!". They had > > >> never > > >>> heard such a thing. My conclusion: "lie" is dead. Write it off. > > >>> > > >>> I have already written off "whom". The language evolves. > > >>> > > >>> Henry Rich > > >>> > > >>>> On 11/20/2019 9:52 PM, Louis de Forcrand wrote: > > >>>> Just to correct a mistake that I always hate making: > > >>>> > > >>>> "... for use after _its_ application ..." > > >>>> > > >>>> Sorry for the noise, > > >>>> Louis > > >>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
