To follow up on all this, while I am a member of the generation which might write off "lie", I find that correct grammar and spelling are qualities necessary (although certainly not sufficient) for writing clearly and with good style, and in learning the former one inevitably improves on the latter.
To break the rules deliberately one must first know where to swing! Cheers, Louis > On 21 Nov 2019, at 18:21, Jose Mario Quintana <jose.mario.quint...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > "By all means break the rules, and break them beautifully, deliberately and > well." > > Bringhurst, Robert (2005). The Elements of Typographic Style > > PS. I try to keep that in mind when writing (particularly in J). > > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:26 AM R.E. Boss <r.e.b...@outlook.com> wrote: >> >> AMEN. >> >> When you try to uphold the rules of a language (which is done only by >> older people), you are fighting a lost battle. >> >> >> R.E. Boss >> >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: Programming <programming-boun...@forums.jsoftware.com> >>> Namens Henry Rich >>> Verzonden: donderdag 21 november 2019 04:02 >>> Aan: programm...@jsoftware.com >>> Onderwerp: Re: [Jprogramming] Explicit vs tacit with assignment >>> >>> Think nothing of it. I was back in the highschool today, talking linear >> algebra >>> to the very top layer of the high-performing students, having them write >>> proofs on the board. It is obvious that the distinction between "its" >> and "it's" >>> is not observed in practice, even among these kids who are tomorrow's >>> elite. It will be gone in another 100 years. >>> >>> Back when I was teaching Latin, I tried to give examples of the >> difference >>> between transitive and intransitive verbs in English. I started, >>> >>> We say "I lay the book on the table: I lay it, I laid it yesterday, I >> have laid it >>> there many times." >>> >>> We say "I lie down for a nap. I lie down, I lay down yesterday, I have >> lain >>> down..." >>> >>> the rest of the sentence was drowned out by cries of "No!". They had >> never >>> heard such a thing. My conclusion: "lie" is dead. Write it off. >>> >>> I have already written off "whom". The language evolves. >>> >>> Henry Rich >>> >>>> On 11/20/2019 9:52 PM, Louis de Forcrand wrote: >>>> Just to correct a mistake that I always hate making: >>>> >>>> "... for use after _its_ application ..." >>>> >>>> Sorry for the noise, >>>> Louis >>>> >>>>> On 21 Nov 2019, at 03:49, Louis de Forcrand <ol...@bluewin.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> (a,a=.?@#) is a verb, namely (?@# , ?@#). In this expression a is set >> to the >>> _verb_ ?@# and then train (a,a) is evaluated. >>>>> >>>>> In the second case a is set to the _result_ of ?@# and then (a,a) is >>> evaluated. To do this tacitly: >>>>> >>>>> (] , ]) @ (?@#) >>>>> >>>>> or more concisely >>>>> >>>>> ,~@?@# >>>>> >>>>> or equivalently (how I would write it) >>>>> >>>>> 2 $ ?@# >>>>> >>>>> As Henry said, to store an intermediate value in a verb's evaluation >> for use >>> _after_ it's application, you must use an explicit verb, for example: >>>>> >>>>> ,~ @ (3 : 'a=: y') @ (?@#) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Louis >>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Nov 2019, at 03:26, Nimp O <tr...@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, simple question. >>>>>> >>>>>> This behaviour surprised me. >>>>>> >>>>>> (a,a=.?@#)'01234' >>>>>> 2 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 : 'a,a=.?@#y' '01234' >>>>>> 1 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Why a is not equal to a in the first case? How can I save the roll >> as an >>> intermediate result in the tacit version? >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> -- For information about J forums see >>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
