"Dan Bron" <[email protected]> writes:

> Reflecting on that (the set of questions I would ask), it occurs to me that
> the word we're seeking is right under our nose:  The J Manual.  "Look that
> up in the manual" seems just about right.

Or RTJM.  

But I don't mean that seriously.

> So now we're at the fuzzy border between form and content [2], and we must
> consider how to cross it.  We actually get a lot of complaints regarding the
> presentation of J as a (human) language; is this the time to abandon (or
> tune down, or twist) that analogy?  The question again hinges on our
> intended audience.  Pragmatically speaking, most newcomers to our language
> will come from other (though perhaps exotic) programming languages, not as
> the tabula rasa the current DoJ targets.  So shall we target that pragmatic
> audience, and write our manual as other manuals are written [3]?
>
> Or does that lose the value of a differentiated language in the first place?
> Would abandoning the human-language analogy be to lose one of our tools of
> thought?  I don't know (and I would be personally sorry to lose the
> analogy), but I thought I'd raise the question.  

Do we get that many complaints?  Is it simply because J is a new way of
thinking?  

I think we would lose something significant by abandoning the language
idea.  I notice that I came to APL as a notation for thinking (computer
hardware design) and essentially never programmed with it (I did get a
TRYAPL2 [or was it I-APL?] interpreter years later, which I probably
used 1-3 times), and I found APL quite handy that way.  It's only now
that I'm beginning to use J as a notation of thought, and I sense I've
been missing something.

I really like JfC, but it veers into the J as programming language
approach, so I think we may have that covered (thanks, Henry!).

If the terms hadn't already been used, what about Primer and Phrase Book
(you did suggest that)?  You see both with natural languages, the latter
especially for tourists.  There's also "Manual of Style" (as in "Chicago
Manual of Style) and "Encyclopedia" (following in the footsteps of the
APL Encyclopedia).  Didn't someone (Compton's?) used to publish a
shortened encyclopedia?  What did they call it?  

Bill

PS: OT, but have you seen
http://www.reportlab.com/solutions/casestudy/wikipedia/ and
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Book&bookcmd=book_creator&referer=Main+Page?
  
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