--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, berarti lu ga > ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu udah disunat belum > itilnya? > Â
Kalo orang gila sex pengikut alkitab seperti elu bukan cuman ngedengrin cewek tetangga ketawa2, tapi langsung elu entot cewe tetangga, seperti ajaran di alktab nabi Daud ngewe bini orang. Hehehe... > Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus plus itu ga peduli > sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara syariat iblis, spt cewek yg > diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat itilnya, cewek yg disiksa di > rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >  >  > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > > >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada kawin, dan > >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita tetangganya > >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. > > > >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita bilang,.. ngesek itu > >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. > > > >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau melibas islam dan > >orang islam di milis ini... > > > > > > > >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > > >> ** > >> > >> > >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin > >> > >> > >> PAKISTAN-INDIA > >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > >> By Zofeen Ebrahim > >> > >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy room, where an > >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit on a low wooden > >> stool with my legs parted and then did somethingâ¦I screamed out in pain," > >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. > >> > >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good fight" before she > >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being taken to the > >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap went there while > >> bathing!" > >> > >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their daughters undergo > >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), the Dawoodi > >> Bohrasâ best-kept secret until young women from the community first began > >> to speak up against it a few years ago. > >> > >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a tight-knit community, > >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and estimated to number two > >> million the world over. > >> > >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian weekly âOutlookâ > >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras trace back to their > >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because they see this as > >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." > >> > >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women and men even > >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than question a > >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation of a womanâs > >> body." > >> > >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure that > >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for non-medical > >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, may involve > >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. > >> > >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in some Middle > >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or mutilation. African > >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, Central African > >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya and Egypt. > >> > >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it is done with > >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a womanâs sexual > >> drive and keep her chaste. > >> > >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees it as a way of > >> controlling women. > >> > >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of Obstetricians and > >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that a community as > >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this practice. > >> > >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or clip (of the > >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the woman of sexual > >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." > >> > >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, finds no > >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no religious scholar, > >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, Iâd suggest the > >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the reason so that they > >> can make an informed decision." > >> > >> "Why do womenâs sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider asks. "Women who > >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she says. > >> > >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who goes by the name of > >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online petition asking > >> the communityâs high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, to have > >> this > >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. > >> > >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is based in the > >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric ritual has no place > >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to His Holiness to > >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in a minority among > >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still get their > >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the communityâs high > >> priest. > >> > >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be some goodness in > >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia Mohammad, 38, mother > >> of three circumcised daughters. > >> > >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and "barbaric", but > >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very safe manner today > >> by doctors." > >> > >> She was present for all of her daughtersâ circumcisions. "It takes less > >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local anaesthesia. Just a > >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. > >> > >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite except what was > >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is unclean and > >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." > >> > >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information circulating > >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the community with > >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. > >> > >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next generation. They will > >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," she says of a rite > >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. > >> > >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all strata of Bohra > >> society. "Iâd say 90 percent practise it." > >> > >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition because "itâs > >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was seven by her > >> grandmotherâs doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this ritual > >> perpetuates > >> without anyone questioning!" > >> > >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for life for getting > >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I have friends who > >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. On the other hand, > >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. > >> > >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young childâs clitoris gives me > >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. She refuses to > >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the right age band > >> for circumcision - under the blade. > >> > >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated forum for > >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the very first time, > >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. > >> > >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the media got into > >> the act, many women from the community openly began talking about their > >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange from India. > >> > >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 signatures. "I will keep > >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness is the first step > >> towards solving the problem." > >> > >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this petition, only time will > >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the petition will make a > >> difference. "They (community leaders) may eventually break their silence > >> and give a plausible answer." > >> > >> (END) > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Post message: [email protected] > >Subscribe : [email protected] > >Unsubscribe : [email protected] > >List owner : [email protected] > >Homepage  : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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