terima kasih sama - sama Bro ... seumur - umur "belajar" dalam definitif kebanyakan orang indo itu pan sebatas "cut" and " paste" ... :-) Dan moga - moga kitamah tidak termasuk yang kayak gitu. Cuma cut .. cuma paste ... tapi tetep nddak ngerti apa apa. yang di cut artinya apa nddak tahu, yang di paste artinya apa juga pan nddak tahu :-)
BTW ... Alquran menyatakan yang artinya kurang lebih berbunyi " Dan janganlah kamu memikirkan tentang AKU, sesungguhnya kamu tidak diberi pengetahuan, kecuali sedikit. Jadi tetep sayamah gemes sama tingkah laku ustad di layar TV yang ajrut ajrutan di depan layar kaca seraya berteriak .."Alhamduuuu...... Lillahhhh .... " Apanya yang alhamdu coba ? Sedeng ! --- In [email protected], ayub <ayubyahya@...> wrote: > > Thx a lot bro... nyaman bacanya > > gw demen di bagian ini :... > > "Aku tidak menganggap bahwa disebut agnostic adalah hinaan, tetapi itu > lebih merupakan pujian. Aku tidak > >  berpura-pura tahu ketika banyak orang > yang tidak tahu justru yakin." (Clarence Darrow. 1857 â" 1938) > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@...> >  > > >  > Aghnostic orang yang tidak percaya apa yang dikatakan oleh agama, tapi dia > percaya adanya Tuhan . > > hal ini jadinya masuk akal, . Kita manusia hanya bisa menebak nebak saja. > Tidak ada yang menjamin kebenaran agama 100%, kecuali tentu saja, oleh > penganut agama itu sendiri :-) > > Kalau Tuhan dianggap tidak ada, kok ada saya ?. Kalau dianggap ada, terus > bagaimana membuktikannya ? > > "Aku tidak menganggap bahwa disebut agnostic adalah hinaan, tetapi itu lebih > merupakan pujian. Aku tidak berpura-pura tahu ketika banyak orang yang tidak > tahu justru yakin." (Clarence Darrow (1857 â" 1938)) > > "Aku percaya bahwa kebahagiaan adalah satu-satunya hal baik, dan cara untuk > bisa bahagia adalah membuat orang lain bahagia " (Robert Green Ingersoll > (1833-1899).) > > Para agnostic mengatakan, bahwa agnostic adalah pilihan paling logis daripada > Teis ataupun Ateis. Karena mereka menganggap ajaran Teis ( agama ) adalah > sesuatu yang tidak logis. Ajaran tersebut cenderung dipergunakan untuk > kepentingan kelompok kelompok. Susahnya lagi, Teis kalau dikritik, malah > ngamuk. Kadang diantara orang beragama menggunakan agamanya untuk men > justifikasi ( memberikan cap ) orang orang yang tak sepaham atau orang yang > tak disukai. Tentu saja justifikasi yang mereka berikan pasti nama jelek, > atau menjelekan. Bukankah itu sama dengan fitnah ?, meng-atas namakan agama. > Misalnya, bid'ah, kafir, murtad⦠dsb. Jadi untuk apa ribet ribet > menggunakan aturan aturan agama kalau pada akhirnya kita meng kafirkan dan > memusuhi orang lainâ¦? Kenyataanya memang itulah yang terjadi, banyak orang > beragama membuat orang lain menjadi bisa dijauhi orang lainnya, berimbas pada > pergaulan sosialnya, kondisi kehidupan orang tersebut menjadi terhambat. Hanya > karena kata kata ( fatwa ) sang tokoh agama. Kalau sudah begituâ¦, siapakah > yang layak masuk nerakaâ¦? > > --- In [email protected], ayub yahya <ayubyahya@> wrote: > > > > pig... Einstein tuh agnostik, percaya adanya tuhan tapi "tuhan yang tidak > > sebatas seperti > > > > yang tertulis di alkitab ato al-quran" > > > > > > oleh einstein, tuhan disebutkan sebagai 'kekuatan misterius' > > > > baca nih ... > > > > We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only > > dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force > > that moves the constellations." > > > > > > themysterious force bebas aja di tafsirkan.... boleh faktor X, boleh god, > > boleh allah, boleh tuhan, > > boleh dewa... > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > Yang kudu dipegagn itu fikirannya yang sudah mateng, yang ditulisnya dengan > > tangannnya sendiri dan bukan omongannnya ketika dia masih mencari-cari > > jawaban atau kutipan yang tidak bersumber dari tulisan tangannnya > > sendiri.... > > > > Terlepas dari itu: buat dia semua agama itu cuman takhayul doang.. > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Albert Einstein and Religion > > > > > > (The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton > > > University Press unless otherwise noted) > > > > > > "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior > > > spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive > > > with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the > > > presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the > > > incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." > > > > > > (The following is from Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer, Princeton > > > University Press) > > > "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We > > > are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with > > > books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those > > > books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in > > > which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in > > > the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems > > > to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward > > > God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws > > > but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the > > > mysterious force that moves the constellations." > > > > > > > > > (The following is from The Quotable Einstein) > > > "Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt > > > end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I > > > soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not > > > be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this > > > experience...an attitude which has never left me." > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the > > > structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to > > > appreciate it." > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." > > > > > > "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his > > > creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who > > > is but a reflection of human frailty. It is enough for me to contemplate > > > the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, > > > to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can > > > dimly perceive and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part > > > of the intelligence manifested in Nature." > > > > > > "The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation. His > > > religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony > > > of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that , > > > compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings > > > is an utterly insignificant reflection." > > > > > > ". . . In spite of all this, I don't let a single opportunity pass > > > unheeded, nor have I lost my sense of humor. When God created the ass he > > > gave him a thick skin." Einstein: The Life and Times by Ronald W. Clark, > > > Avon Books. > > > > > > "Where dull-witted clansmen of our tribe were praying aloud, their faces > > > turned to the wall, their bodies swaying to and fro. A pathetic sight of > > > men with a past but without a future." (Regarding his visit to the > > > Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, February 3, 1923) > > > > > > "Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts > > > with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our 2,000 > > > years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us." > > > > > > "I appeal to all men and women, whether they be eminent or humble, to > > > declare that they will refuse to give any further assistance to war or > > > the preparation of war." > > > > > > "It is my belief that the problem of bringing peace to the world on a > > > supranational basis will be solved only by employing Gandhi's method on a > > > larger scale." > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's wife, regarding > > > Einstein's development of the theory of general relativity. It's taken > > > from the outstanding book Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer. It's > > > originally taken from Charles Chaplin's autobiography and widely quoted > > > in journals, bios and even as the conference calls for papers about > > > Einstein's most famous theory. > > > > > > The Doctor came down in his dressing gown as usual for breakfast but he > > > hardly touched a thing. I thought something was wrong, so I asked what > > > was troubling him. "Darling," he said, "I have a wonderful idea." And > > > after drinking his coffee, he went to the piano and started playing. Now > > > and again he would stop, making a few notes then repeat: "I've got a > > > wonderful idea, a marvelous idea!" I said: "Then for goodness' sake tell > > > me what it is, don't keep me in suspense." He said: "It's difficult, I > > > still have to work it out." > > > > > > She told me he continued playing the piano and making notes for about > > > half an hour, then went upstairs to his study, telling her that he did > > > not wish to be disturbed, and remained there for two weeks. "Each day I > > > sent him up his meals," she said, "and in the evening he would walk a > > > little for exercise, then return to his work again. Eventually," she > > > said, "he came down from his study looking very pale. "That's it," he > > > told me, wearily putting two sheets of paper on the table. And that was > > > his theory of relativity." > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > > > Begitu jelas dia bilang "The word God is for me nothing more than the > > > > expression and product of human weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Einstein Itu Deism Plik ... Bukan Atheism ... > > > > > > > > > > Coba tengok ... > > > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the > > > > > structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to > > > > > appreciate it." > > > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." > > > > > > > > > > Baca di sini .. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's wife, > > > > > regarding Einstein's development of the theory of general relativity. > > > > > It's taken from the outstanding book Einstein and Religion by Max > > > > > Jammer. It's originally taken from Charles Chaplin's autobiography > > > > > and widely quoted in journals, bios and even as the conference calls > > > > > for papers about Einstein's most famous theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi Einstein itu bilang semua agama itu cuman takhayul doang... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan yang ngomong itu bukan orang sedeng munafik, tukang fitnah dan > > > > > > tukang nyabo kayak suryana, tapi orang pinter... > > > > > > > > > > > > Agar jelas: omongan Einstein itu layak direnungkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya saya kutip pendapat Hawking: > > > > > > > > > > > > "When Sawyer asked if there was a way to reconcile religion and > > > > > > science, Hawking said, "There is a fundamental difference between > > > > > > religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, which is > > > > > > based on observation and reason. Science will win because it > > > > > > works." > > > > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Technology/stephen-hawking-religion-science-win/story?id=10830164#.UHkEffcTmSo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "suryana" <gsuryana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe bloon surat Einstein pada dasarnya masih ambigu, sayang > > > > > > > pengertian > > > > > > > ambigu tidak bisa dimengerti. > > > > > > > Einstein ingin atheis, siapa yg melarang ?, apa karena jenius > > > > > > > maka harus > > > > > > > jadi atheis, lha disini ada binatang yg otaknya di peler, boro > > > > > > > boro jenius, > > > > > > > jauh panggang dari api. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yg menjadi pointku mengirim bukan karena isi suratnya, melainkan > > > > > > > koq ada > > > > > > > orang mau beli surat tsb dengan harga yg bisa dibelikan sikat > > > > > > > gigi elektrik > > > > > > > dan jam tangan ber gps masing masing puluhan kontainer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "muskitawati" <muskitawati@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi semua orang2 tua yang ingin anaknya seperti Einstein agar > > > > > > > > menjauhkan > > > > > > > > racun2 yang merusak otak anaknya tentang klenik2 penyembahan > > > > > > > > Allah, Tuhan, > > > > > > > > dewa dewi, dan mistik2 lainnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hal ini terutama sangat penting bagi umat Islam dan mereka yang > > > > > > > > hidup > > > > > > > > dalam lingkungan yang Islam. Karena kerusakan otak ini bukan > > > > > > > > hanya > > > > > > > > menyangkut dirinya melainkan juga bangsa dan negara ini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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