Jadi, agnostisme itu: "The view that the existence of God or of all deities is unknown, unknowable, unproven, or unprovable."
Sedangkan Einstein berkata: "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses," --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@...> wrote: > > Ni Baca Plik ... > > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agnosticism > > Bandingkan dengan konsep Islam ... > > Tuhan - tuhan itu kagak ade ! > Yang ade itu cuma al-illah > Al-Illah ? > is unknown, unknowable, unproven, or unprovable. ! > > Cocok pan ? > > Makanya jadi orang Mosti cerdas Plik ... ;-) > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > Pinpin yang sedeng menulis: > > > > "Aghnostic orang yang tidak percaya apa yang dikatakan oleh agama, tapi dia > > percaya adanya Tuhan . > > " > > > > Nih baca: > > > > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agnostic > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Aghnostic orang yang tidak percaya apa yang dikatakan oleh agama, tapi > > > dia percaya adanya Tuhan . > > > > > > hal ini jadinya masuk akal, . Kita manusia hanya bisa menebak nebak saja. > > > Tidak ada yang menjamin kebenaran agama 100%, kecuali tentu saja, oleh > > > penganut agama itu sendiri :-) > > > > > > Kalau Tuhan dianggap tidak ada, kok ada saya ?. Kalau dianggap ada, terus > > > bagaimana membuktikannya ? > > > > > > "Aku tidak menganggap bahwa disebut agnostic adalah hinaan, tetapi itu > > > lebih merupakan pujian. Aku tidak berpura-pura tahu ketika banyak orang > > > yang tidak tahu justru yakin." (Clarence Darrow (1857 1938)) > > > > > > "Aku percaya bahwa kebahagiaan adalah satu-satunya hal baik, dan cara > > > untuk bisa bahagia adalah membuat orang lain bahagia " (Robert Green > > > Ingersoll (1833-1899).) > > > > > > Para agnostic mengatakan, bahwa agnostic adalah pilihan paling logis > > > daripada Teis ataupun Ateis. Karena mereka menganggap ajaran Teis ( agama > > > ) adalah sesuatu yang tidak logis. Ajaran tersebut cenderung dipergunakan > > > untuk kepentingan kelompok kelompok. Susahnya lagi, Teis kalau dikritik, > > > malah ngamuk. Kadang diantara orang beragama menggunakan agamanya untuk > > > men justifikasi ( memberikan cap ) orang orang yang tak sepaham atau > > > orang yang tak disukai. Tentu saja justifikasi yang mereka berikan pasti > > > nama jelek, atau menjelekan. Bukankah itu sama dengan fitnah ?, meng-atas > > > namakan agama. Misalnya, bid'ah, kafir, murtad dsb. Jadi untuk apa ribet > > > ribet menggunakan aturan aturan agama kalau pada akhirnya kita meng > > > kafirkan dan memusuhi orang lain ? Kenyataanya memang itulah yang > > > terjadi, banyak orang beragama membuat orang lain menjadi bisa dijauhi > > > orang lainnya, berimbas pada pergaulan sosialnya, kondisi kehidupan orang > > > tersebut menjadi terhambat. Hanya karena kata kata ( fatwa ) sang tokoh > > > agama. Kalau sudah begitu , siapakah yang layak masuk neraka ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], ayub yahya <ayubyahya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > pig... Einstein tuh agnostik, percaya adanya tuhan tapi "tuhan yang > > > > tidak sebatas seperti > > > > > > > > yang tertulis di alkitab ato al-quran" > > > > > > > > > > > > oleh einstein, tuhan disebutkan sebagai 'kekuatan misterius' > > > > > > > > baca nih ... > > > > > > > > We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but > > > > only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the > > > > mysterious force that moves the constellations." > > > > > > > > > > > > themysterious force bebas aja di tafsirkan.... boleh faktor X, boleh > > > > god, boleh allah, boleh tuhan, > > > > boleh dewa... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > > > Yang kudu dipegagn itu fikirannya yang sudah mateng, yang ditulisnya > > > > dengan tangannnya sendiri dan bukan omongannnya ketika dia masih > > > > mencari-cari jawaban atau kutipan yang tidak bersumber dari tulisan > > > > tangannnya sendiri.... > > > > > > > > Terlepas dari itu: buat dia semua agama itu cuman takhayul doang.. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" <pinpinyuliansyah@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein and Religion > > > > > > > > > > (The following quotes are taken from The Quotable Einstein, Princeton > > > > > University Press unless otherwise noted) > > > > > > > > > > "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable > > > > > superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able > > > > > to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional > > > > > conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is > > > > > revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." > > > > > > > > > > (The following is from Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer, Princeton > > > > > University Press) > > > > > "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. > > > > > We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library > > > > > filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must > > > > > have written those books. It does not know how. It does not > > > > > understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly > > > > > suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but > > > > > doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of > > > > > even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe > > > > > marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly > > > > > understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force > > > > > that moves the constellations." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The following is from The Quotable Einstein) > > > > > "Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an > > > > > abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular > > > > > scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories > > > > > of the Bible could not be true....Suspicion against every kind of > > > > > authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never > > > > > left me." > > > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the > > > > > structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to > > > > > appreciate it." > > > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." > > > > > > > > > > "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his > > > > > creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, > > > > > who is but a reflection of human frailty. It is enough for me to > > > > > contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through > > > > > all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe > > > > > which we can dimly perceive and to try humbly to comprehend even an > > > > > infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in Nature." > > > > > > > > > > "The scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation. His > > > > > religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the > > > > > harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such > > > > > superiority that , compared with it, all the systematic thinking and > > > > > acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection." > > > > > > > > > > ". . . In spite of all this, I don't let a single opportunity pass > > > > > unheeded, nor have I lost my sense of humor. When God created the > > > > > ass he gave him a thick skin." Einstein: The Life and Times by Ronald > > > > > W. Clark, Avon Books. > > > > > > > > > > "Where dull-witted clansmen of our tribe were praying aloud, their > > > > > faces turned to the wall, their bodies swaying to and fro. A pathetic > > > > > sight of men with a past but without a future." (Regarding his visit > > > > > to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, February 3, 1923) > > > > > > > > > > "Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest > > > > > pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during > > > > > our 2,000 years of suffering and deserve all that will come to us." > > > > > > > > > > "I appeal to all men and women, whether they be eminent or humble, to > > > > > declare that they will refuse to give any further assistance to war > > > > > or the preparation of war." > > > > > > > > > > "It is my belief that the problem of bringing peace to the world on a > > > > > supranational basis will be solved only by employing Gandhi's method > > > > > on a larger scale." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's wife, > > > > > regarding Einstein's development of the theory of general relativity. > > > > > It's taken from the outstanding book Einstein and Religion by Max > > > > > Jammer. It's originally taken from Charles Chaplin's autobiography > > > > > and widely quoted in journals, bios and even as the conference calls > > > > > for papers about Einstein's most famous theory. > > > > > > > > > > The Doctor came down in his dressing gown as usual for breakfast but > > > > > he hardly touched a thing. I thought something was wrong, so I asked > > > > > what was troubling him. "Darling," he said, "I have a wonderful > > > > > idea." And after drinking his coffee, he went to the piano and > > > > > started playing. Now and again he would stop, making a few notes then > > > > > repeat: "I've got a wonderful idea, a marvelous idea!" I said: "Then > > > > > for goodness' sake tell me what it is, don't keep me in suspense." He > > > > > said: "It's difficult, I still have to work it out." > > > > > > > > > > She told me he continued playing the piano and making notes for about > > > > > half an hour, then went upstairs to his study, telling her that he > > > > > did not wish to be disturbed, and remained there for two weeks. "Each > > > > > day I sent him up his meals," she said, "and in the evening he would > > > > > walk a little for exercise, then return to his work again. > > > > > Eventually," she said, "he came down from his study looking very > > > > > pale. "That's it," he told me, wearily putting two sheets of paper on > > > > > the table. And that was his theory of relativity." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedeng... > > > > > > > > > > > > Begitu jelas dia bilang "The word God is for me nothing more than > > > > > > the expression and product of human weaknesses," > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pinpinyuliansyah" > > > > > > <pinpinyuliansyah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein Itu Deism Plik ... Bukan Atheism ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coba tengok ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the > > > > > > > structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate > > > > > > > senses to appreciate it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is > > > > > > > blind." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baca di sini .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.deism.com/einstein.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from Elsa Einstein, Albert Einstein's wife, > > > > > > > regarding Einstein's development of the theory of general > > > > > > > relativity. It's taken from the outstanding book Einstein and > > > > > > > Religion by Max Jammer. It's originally taken from Charles > > > > > > > Chaplin's autobiography and widely quoted in journals, bios and > > > > > > > even as the conference calls for papers about Einstein's most > > > > > > > famous theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi Einstein itu bilang semua agama itu cuman takhayul doang... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan yang ngomong itu bukan orang sedeng munafik, tukang fitnah > > > > > > > > dan tukang nyabo kayak suryana, tapi orang pinter... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agar jelas: omongan Einstein itu layak direnungkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya saya kutip pendapat Hawking: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When Sawyer asked if there was a way to reconcile religion and > > > > > > > > science, Hawking said, "There is a fundamental difference > > > > > > > > between religion, which is based on authority, [and] science, > > > > > > > > which is based on observation and reason. Science will win > > > > > > > > because it works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Technology/stephen-hawking-religion-science-win/story?id=10830164#.UHkEffcTmSo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "suryana" <gsuryana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe bloon surat Einstein pada dasarnya masih ambigu, > > > > > > > > > sayang pengertian > > > > > > > > > ambigu tidak bisa dimengerti. > > > > > > > > > Einstein ingin atheis, siapa yg melarang ?, apa karena jenius > > > > > > > > > maka harus > > > > > > > > > jadi atheis, lha disini ada binatang yg otaknya di peler, > > > > > > > > > boro boro jenius, > > > > > > > > > jauh panggang dari api. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yg menjadi pointku mengirim bukan karena isi suratnya, > > > > > > > > > melainkan koq ada > > > > > > > > > orang mau beli surat tsb dengan harga yg bisa dibelikan sikat > > > > > > > > > gigi elektrik > > > > > > > > > dan jam tangan ber gps masing masing puluhan kontainer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "muskitawati" <muskitawati@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi semua orang2 tua yang ingin anaknya seperti Einstein > > > > > > > > > > agar menjauhkan > > > > > > > > > > racun2 yang merusak otak anaknya tentang klenik2 > > > > > > > > > > penyembahan Allah, Tuhan, > > > > > > > > > > dewa dewi, dan mistik2 lainnya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hal ini terutama sangat penting bagi umat Islam dan mereka > > > > > > > > > > yang hidup > > > > > > > > > > dalam lingkungan yang Islam. Karena kerusakan otak ini > > > > > > > > > > bukan hanya > > > > > > > > > > menyangkut dirinya melainkan juga bangsa dan negara ini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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