bener sama salah itu urusannya sama referensi. Menghina agama tidak salah menurut hukum belanda. Bukan tindakan kriminal dan si pelaku nddak bisa dijerat sama hukum Pidana. Itu sebabnya uplik terus menerus menistakan Islam. Tanpa khawatir masuk bui.
Kebenaran versi belanda ini apan nddak sama dengan versi Indonesia. Itulah sebabnya, saat Alex Aan ikut ikutan seperti Uplik, maka Alex Aan masuk penjara. Perbuatannya sama. Yang satu dilakukan oleh uplik di belanda, yang satu dilakukan oleh Alex Aan di Indonesia. Refernsi kebenaran nya beda. Hasilnya ? Uplik tetep bisa joging sambil terus menistakan agama islam setiap hari tanpa henti, sedangkan Alex Aan apanan boro - boro joging, tiep hari harus menikmati sumpek nya hidup di balik terali besi. Referensi benar atau salah di Indonesia ya hukum negara Indonesia. Adalah benar bagi habe menunggangi mobil di sebelah kanan jalan, namun yang benar menurut aturan cara berkendara di Amerika apanan jadi salah ketika kita ada di Indonesia. Da di Indonesia mah bawa mobil itu harus di kiri. Yang repot itu apanan ketika ada orang arap yang mau menerapkan 100% budaya arap di Indonesia. Ya nddak bisa. Meskipun bawa ajaran Islam, ya Islam nya mosti di akulturasi kan dengan budaya Indonesia. Nddak bisa "Plek" 100% di copy paste. Makanya saya bilang, yang bener buat umat islam indonesia mah ya Islam versi Indonesia. Bukan Islam Versi Arap. Islam Indonesia itu jelas BERBEDA dengan Islam arap. Di sinimah ada lebaran, ada nabuh beduk, ada haal bihalal ... Sok nabuh beduk di arab ... insyAllah ditangkep. dengan tuduhan "Bid'ah". gituh. --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" <johny_indon@...> wrote: > > > > halal haramnya kawin mutah ujung2nya balik lagi ke pribadi masing2. > > di indonesia yg kawin mutah, atau mengawini anak di bawah umur, jelas > bakalan masuk penjara. > padahal polisinya muslim, jaksanya muslim, hakimnya juga muslim. > di negara lain ya ngga tau. > orang2 mui yg mengharamkan kawin mutah itu juga pasti baca hadis juga. > > intinya manusia itu diberi akal untuk menentukan sendiri mana yg baik dan > mana yg benar. > kalo ada manusia yg hanya manut apa kata buku, atau percaya > begitu saja apa kata orang lain, tanpa menimbang baik buruknya, ya > sama aja akalnya ngga dipake. > > as simple as that. > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > Berikut adalah jawaban dari kolega Shiah. > > > > Mutah Is Valid In Sunnism According To Their Books > > > > I opened this thread to prove to the readers that our Sunni brethren either > > do not read their own "sahih" books or they simply try to avoid the truth > > behind Mutah marriage being valid in their Aqeedah. I will only use hadith > > from their two most authentic books according to them being Sahih Bukhari > > and Sahih Muslim to back up my statement. > > > > After reading the hadiths below, one can logically interpret that Mutah > > marriage is a valid marriage that reflects on the Sharia that was > > established by the prophet(SAW) and was BANNED by Umar when he became the > > second caliph. > > > > The meaning of these hadiths is clear and logically responds to the mind. > > > > I read some topics on the internet before that try to refute my statement > > and try their best to twist the meaning of these hadiths in order to prove > > that mutah is haram but the arguments they used are very week. I have not > > yet came across one solid and logical argument from them that proved that > > the meaning of these hadiths is contrary to my statement > > > > It is also worth mentioning that often times, our Sunni brethren, weather > > they are in our family, schoolmates or co-workers question us about the > > validity of Mutah marriage and some even label it as fornication. That > > being said, when one is under this type of situation and being asked as > > such , it is best to directly expose them to these hadiths so they are > > aware of what is written in the books that the foundations of their > > aqeedah(creed) is based on. That way, they will be more prone to research > > in depth and hopefully be convinced that Mutah is logically valid in Islam > > unlike what their scholars say. > > > > > > And here are the hadiths. > > > > > > - Mut'ah During Wartime > > > > Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139: > > > > Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by > > the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the > > Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do > > that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving > > her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make > > unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you." > > > > > > - Mut'ah Banned by Umar > > > > > > Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43: > > > > Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's Book, > > so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an > > to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the > > man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250: > > > > Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a > > person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the > > two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: > > We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar > > then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them. > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3248: > > > > Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform > > 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different > > things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he > > said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage > > during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet pbuh and during the time of Abi > > Bakr and 'Umar > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3249: > > > > Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a > > handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's > > Messenger pbuh and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in > > the case of 'Amr b. Huraith. > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261: > > > > 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and delivered > > an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people > > as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in > > favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn > > 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid > > of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader > > of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn Zubair said to > > him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you > > with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed > > me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him > > and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do > > it. > > > > > > - Mut'ah During Life of Rasulullah [s] > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252: > > > > Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary marriage > > for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who > > was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for > > contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you > > give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. And the > > cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. > > So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she > > cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, > > you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three > > nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: He who has any such woman > > with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off. > > > > > > I hope that was helpful and informative for some. > > > > http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235011006-mutah-is-valid-in-sunnism-according-to-their-books/ > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" <johny_indon@> wrote: > > > > > > /read/2012/10/26/25402/0/17/Fatwa-Ulama-Terkait-Kawin-Kontrak > > > > > > Dalam fatwanya, MUI memutuskan bahwa nikah kontrak atau mut'ah hukumnya > > > haram. Fatwa nikah kontrak yang ditandatangani Ketua Umum MUI, KH Hasan > > > Basri, dan Ketua Komisi Fatwa MUI, KH Ibrahim Hosen, itu juga bersikap > > > keras kepada pelaku nikah mut'ah. > > > > > > ''Pelaku nikah mut'ah harus dihadapkan ke pengadilan sesuai dengan > > > peraturan perundang-undangan yang berlaku,'' begitu bunyi poin kedua > > > keputusan fatwa kawin kontrak itu. Sebagai dasar hukumnya, MUI bersandar > > > pada Alquran surah al-Mukminun ayat 5-6. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Terus terang saya tadinya tidak percaya akan hal ini. > > > > Kolega saya yang orang Shiah tidak tahu artinya hingga pertanyaan > > > > akhirnya diberikan pada kolega lain yang kelahiran Mesir di mana > > > > menurut dia arti kata'mutah' adalah 'having fun'. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mutah itu artiny nikmat, bukan kontrak, goblok! Dan ada kata > > > > > "nikmati" yg > > > > > berasal dr kata mutah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/8/19 Tawangalun <tawangalun@> > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La ini Q 4:24 saya punya yg tafsir terjemahan perkata: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan dihalalkan bagi kalian apa yg dibelakang(selain) demikian itu > > > > > > bahwa > > > > > > kalian mencari dg harta kalian untuk dikawini tdk/bukan untuk > > > > > > berzina maka > > > > > > apa yg telah kalian nikmati dengannya dari mereka maka berikan kpd > > > > > > mereka > > > > > > mahar/maskawin suatu kewajiban dan tdk berdosa atas/bagi kalian > > > > > > terhadap > > > > > > apa (sesuatu) kalian tetap saling merelakan bla bla bla. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi kata kontrak ataupun mutah disurah tsb gak ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > Memang dulu ketika jaman perang dimana saya lupa Mutah pernah > > > > > > dihalalkan > > > > > > tapi akirnya diharamkan.Jadi bagi yg sekarang sering mutah dipuncak > > > > > > itu > > > > > > nyrempet2 bahaya saya gak berani. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ada kata mutah di 4:24, goblok! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (...Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to > > > > > > > seek them > > > > > > > with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > protection (from sin), not fornication. *So for whatever you have > > > > > > > had of > > > > > > > pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract, give unto them > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > appointed wages as a duty*. And there is no sin for you in what > > > > > > > you both > > > > > > > agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) > > > > > > > duty. Lo! > > > > > > > Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/8/19 Tawangalun <tawangalun@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gak ada Fiq Q 4:24 bukan masalah mutah,bahkan kata2 mutah gak > > > > > > > > ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karena Tawang itu gila dia tidak tahu bahwa orang shiah > > > > > > > > > bilang kawin > > > > > > > > muta itu ada di khurafah najis al-Musahf, yaitu 4:24 .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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