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On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:47 AM, johny_indon <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > > > halal haramnya kawin mutah ujung2nya balik lagi ke pribadi masing2. > > di indonesia yg kawin mutah, atau mengawini anak di bawah umur, jelas > bakalan masuk penjara. > padahal polisinya muslim, jaksanya muslim, hakimnya juga muslim. > di negara lain ya ngga tau. > orang2 mui yg mengharamkan kawin mutah itu juga pasti baca hadis juga. > > intinya manusia itu diberi akal untuk menentukan sendiri mana yg baik dan > mana yg benar. > kalo ada manusia yg hanya manut apa kata buku, atau percaya > begitu saja apa kata orang lain, tanpa menimbang baik buruknya, ya > sama aja akalnya ngga dipake. > > as simple as that. > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@...> wrote: > > > > Berikut adalah jawaban dari kolega Shiah. > > > > Mutah Is Valid In Sunnism According To Their Books > > > > I opened this thread to prove to the readers that our Sunni brethren > either do not read their own "sahih" books or they simply try to avoid the > truth behind Mutah marriage being valid in their Aqeedah. I will only use > hadith from their two most authentic books according to them being Sahih > Bukhari and Sahih Muslim to back up my statement. > > > > After reading the hadiths below, one can logically interpret that Mutah > marriage is a valid marriage that reflects on the Sharia that was > established by the prophet(SAW) and was BANNED by Umar when he became the > second caliph. > > > > The meaning of these hadiths is clear and logically responds to the mind. > > > > I read some topics on the internet before that try to refute my > statement and try their best to twist the meaning of these hadiths in order > to prove that mutah is haram but the arguments they used are very week. I > have not yet came across one solid and logical argument from them that > proved that the meaning of these hadiths is contrary to my statement > > > > It is also worth mentioning that often times, our Sunni brethren, > weather they are in our family, schoolmates or co-workers question us about > the validity of Mutah marriage and some even label it as fornication. That > being said, when one is under this type of situation and being asked as > such , it is best to directly expose them to these hadiths so they are > aware of what is written in the books that the foundations of their > aqeedah(creed) is based on. That way, they will be more prone to research > in depth and hopefully be convinced that Mutah is logically valid in Islam > unlike what their scholars say. > > > > > > And here are the hadiths. > > > > > > - Mut'ah During Wartime > > > > Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139: > > > > Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by > the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the > Prophet). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do > that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving > her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make > unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you." > > > > > > - Mut'ah Banned by Umar > > > > > > Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43: > > > > Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's > Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in > Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. > But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250: > > > > Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a > person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the > two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: > We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar > then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them. > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3248: > > > > Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to > perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about > different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, > whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary > marriage during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet pbuh and during the time > of Abi Bakr and 'Umar > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3249: > > > > Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a > handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's > Messenger pbuh and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in > the case of 'Amr b. Huraith. > > > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3261: > > > > 'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair stood up (and > delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of > some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious > verdict in favor of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person > (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, > devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the > leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, pbuh), and Ibn Zubair said > to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone > you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah > informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came > to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted > him to do it. > > > > > > - Mut'ah During Life of Rasulullah [s] > > > > > > Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3252: > > > > Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger pbuh permitted temporary > marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana > 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves > to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower > would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. > And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger > than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and > when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then > said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her > for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger pbuh said: He who has any such > woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off. > > > > > > I hope that was helpful and informative for some. > > > > > http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235011006-mutah-is-valid-in-sunnism-according-to-their-books/ > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "johny_indon" <johny_indon@> wrote: > > > > > > /read/2012/10/26/25402/0/17/Fatwa-Ulama-Terkait-Kawin-Kontrak > > > > > > Dalam fatwanya, MUI memutuskan bahwa nikah kontrak atau mut'ah > hukumnya haram. Fatwa nikah kontrak yang ditandatangani Ketua Umum MUI, KH > Hasan Basri, dan Ketua Komisi Fatwa MUI, KH Ibrahim Hosen, itu juga > bersikap keras kepada pelaku nikah mut'ah. > > > > > > ''Pelaku nikah mut'ah harus dihadapkan ke pengadilan sesuai dengan > peraturan perundang-undangan yang berlaku,'' begitu bunyi poin kedua > keputusan fatwa kawin kontrak itu. Sebagai dasar hukumnya, MUI bersandar > pada Alquran surah al-Mukminun ayat 5-6. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Terus terang saya tadinya tidak percaya akan hal ini. > > > > Kolega saya yang orang Shiah tidak tahu artinya hingga pertanyaan > akhirnya diberikan pada kolega lain yang kelahiran Mesir di mana menurut > dia arti kata'mutah' adalah 'having fun'. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mutah itu artiny nikmat, bukan kontrak, goblok! Dan ada kata > "nikmati" yg > > > > > berasal dr kata mutah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/8/19 Tawangalun <tawangalun@> > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La ini Q 4:24 saya punya yg tafsir terjemahan perkata: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan dihalalkan bagi kalian apa yg dibelakang(selain) demikian > itu bahwa > > > > > > kalian mencari dg harta kalian untuk dikawini tdk/bukan untuk > berzina maka > > > > > > apa yg telah kalian nikmati dengannya dari mereka maka berikan > kpd mereka > > > > > > mahar/maskawin suatu kewajiban dan tdk berdosa atas/bagi kalian > terhadap > > > > > > apa (sesuatu) kalian tetap saling merelakan bla bla bla. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi kata kontrak ataupun mutah disurah tsb gak ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > Memang dulu ketika jaman perang dimana saya lupa Mutah pernah > dihalalkan > > > > > > tapi akirnya diharamkan.Jadi bagi yg sekarang sering mutah > dipuncak itu > > > > > > nyrempet2 bahaya saya gak berani. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ada kata mutah di 4:24, goblok! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (...Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you > to seek them > > > > > > > with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you > desire > > > > > > > protection (from sin), not fornication. *So for whatever you > have had of > > > > > > > pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract, give unto > them their > > > > > > > appointed wages as a duty*. And there is no sin for you in > what you both > > > > > > > agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) > duty. Lo! > > > > > > > Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/8/19 Tawangalun <tawangalun@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gak ada Fiq Q 4:24 bukan masalah mutah,bahkan kata2 mutah > gak ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karena Tawang itu gila dia tidak tahu bahwa orang shiah > bilang kawin > > > > > > > > muta itu ada di khurafah najis al-Musahf, yaitu 4:24 .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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