Ga hanya membuka diri, namun mbuka celana anak kecil
dan remaja.

--- In [email protected], "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidu...@...> wrote:
>
> Pertumbuhan kristen di Singapore, mereka memakai mal2 dan ruang2 publik 
> dijadikan tempat konser musik dan khotbah, sampai pemerintah Singapore 
> membatasi mereka. Ada beberapa gereja kota yg besar sekali di sana.  
> 
> Kristen itu agresif. Mereka kalau ditindas akan gerilya menggerogoti sampai 
> rubuh bangunannya. Kalau dibiarkan akan mengadakan show dan kampanye besar2an 
> untuk mencari pengikut. Itu sebabnya pemerintah2 yg dikuasai Islam di 
> Indonesia sangat kuatir pada pertumbuhan gereja. Dikeluarkan aturan macam 
> untuk melarang gereja.  
> 
> Kristen sudah menjadi agama pop. Beda dgn Islam yg makin menutup diri dan 
> makin rapat dan rahasia, kristen berani membuka diri dan show terbuka 
> dimana2. 
> 
> Semua menurutku ada salah ada benarnya. kita lihat saja. 
> 
> 
> Guidelines on use of mall space for religion
> Wed, Jul 21, 2010
> my paper
>       
> By Kenny Chee
> 
> GUIDELINES on the extent to which commercial spaces are allowed to be used 
> for religious activities were issued yesterday by the Government.
> 
> The guidelines specify, among other things, that religious groups can carry 
> out their activities in commercial premises, but in a "limited and 
> nonexclusive" way.
> 
> For example, religious activities in commercial areas should not take place 
> for more than two days a week.
> 
> Each religious group can use up to 10,000 sq m in any commercial space, while 
> a commercial development should not have more than 20,000 sq m or 20 per cent 
> of its gross floor area - whichever is lower - for religious activities.
> 
> In a joint statement yesterday, the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) and 
> the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports said that the 
> guidelines had been drawn up to ensure that the "predominant use and 
> character of commercial developments are not eroded, and that such places 
> remain as secular spaces that can be enjoyed by people from all segments of 
> society".
> 
> They also said that religious activities should be conducted at sites 
> designated as places of worship for religious groups.
> 
> But they added that some flexibility could be exercised to allow the "limited 
> use of commercial premises by religious organisations".
> 
> The URA has received requests from religious groups to use commercial spaces 
> for religious activities "from time to time", and the agency has exercised 
> some flexibility and allowed some of these proposals on a case-by-case basis.
> 
> A URA spokesman said these guidelines have always been the agency's internal 
> guiding principles. They are now being made public "to provide greater 
> clarity to religious organisations and building owners on what can be allowed 
> within commercial developments".
> 
> Property owners and religious groups should observe the guidelines if the 
> religious activities are held regularly in spaces in commercial and hotel 
> developments, such as auditoriums, function halls, convention centres and 
> cinemas.
> 
> The guidelines do not apply to activities organised on an ad-hoc basis.
> 
> Religious activities conducted in designated places of worship will not be 
> affected.
> 
> Building owners and religious groups should ensure that religious activities 
> do not cause disturbances to the public, like traffic problems.
> 
> The URA spokesman said that the guidelines apply to all religious groups, and 
> are not targeted at any particular organisation or group.
> 
> City Harvest Church, which took a stake in Suntec Singapore and would use 
> some of the convention centre's facilities next year to conduct its church 
> activities, said that it is currently "studying the implications" of the 
> guidelines.
> 
> Suntec Singapore said that the guidelines "provide clarity on the allowable 
> use of commercial spaces for religious activities".
> 
> New Creation Church, which holds weekly sessions in Suntec City, declined to 
> comment.
> 
> ken...@...
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> You are assuming religious meetings as predominantly Christian services with 
> songs, music and other performances.
> 
> This is a narrow mindset, as there are other religious organization that do 
> NOT put on a show each weekend.
> 
> Moreover, the guidelines are intended for those who are leasing on a 
> CONSISTENT and weekly basis. This is the difference between religious 
> organizations and pop shows....
> 
> There is nothing wrong to have guidelines in place to ensure that no religion 
> can "take over" a secular place exclusively and consistently for each weekend.
> 
> And how is it an abuse of authority? Every country has its policy of zoning 
> areas for development. If a area is meant for residential living, surely you 
> don't build a factory over it (unless approval granted by the relevant land 
> agencies).
> .....
> Posted by: shepherd_18 at Wed Jul 21 15:30:50 SGT 2010
> Actually, on why there are a need to use commercial buildings for the church 
> services. It is a matter of simple demand and supply. There are many small 
> churches who cannot offer to build a church, and so they use commercial 
> premises. All in all, the government is both the god and devil in this whole 
> saga. WHy, on one hand, they want to please people by coming with some stupid 
> rules of which most landlord are tied with hand to rent out their premises. 
> Is church office consdiered a worship place. There are many churches who rent 
> the office to handle their church affairs.
> 
> ....... stil to come if I can gather some toughts on this issue.
> Posted by: waihoong at Wed Jul 21 15:20:25 SGT 2010
> 
> 
> Let me share an experience with you.
> 
> Whenever there are many cars doing illegally by the mosque goers, and during 
> the Hari Raya Haji and Puasa, the traffic warren close two eyes. (Mainly 
> Malay). Whenever there are Chinese New Year or other Church events, the Malay 
> Traffic Warren are always to stand by to book the cars. I have observed it so 
> many times, that is one time, I tell them off of inconsistent practices. WHy 
> they do not book their Malay or Mulsim, and book the Non-Malay or non_muslims.
> 
> I have seen so many time.
> 
> HOwever, I also aware of the churches behind YMCA are attended by some 
> political leaders, hence, they are not booked even though there are parking 
> places opposite them or nearby.
> 
> It is not about compassion, it is about .....
> Posted by: waihoong at Wed Jul 21 15:15:50 SGT 2010
>




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