Ga hanya membuka diri, namun mbuka celana anak kecil dan remaja. --- In [email protected], "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidu...@...> wrote: > > Pertumbuhan kristen di Singapore, mereka memakai mal2 dan ruang2 publik > dijadikan tempat konser musik dan khotbah, sampai pemerintah Singapore > membatasi mereka. Ada beberapa gereja kota yg besar sekali di sana. > > Kristen itu agresif. Mereka kalau ditindas akan gerilya menggerogoti sampai > rubuh bangunannya. Kalau dibiarkan akan mengadakan show dan kampanye besar2an > untuk mencari pengikut. Itu sebabnya pemerintah2 yg dikuasai Islam di > Indonesia sangat kuatir pada pertumbuhan gereja. Dikeluarkan aturan macam > untuk melarang gereja. > > Kristen sudah menjadi agama pop. Beda dgn Islam yg makin menutup diri dan > makin rapat dan rahasia, kristen berani membuka diri dan show terbuka > dimana2. > > Semua menurutku ada salah ada benarnya. kita lihat saja. > > > Guidelines on use of mall space for religion > Wed, Jul 21, 2010 > my paper > > By Kenny Chee > > GUIDELINES on the extent to which commercial spaces are allowed to be used > for religious activities were issued yesterday by the Government. > > The guidelines specify, among other things, that religious groups can carry > out their activities in commercial premises, but in a "limited and > nonexclusive" way. > > For example, religious activities in commercial areas should not take place > for more than two days a week. > > Each religious group can use up to 10,000 sq m in any commercial space, while > a commercial development should not have more than 20,000 sq m or 20 per cent > of its gross floor area - whichever is lower - for religious activities. > > In a joint statement yesterday, the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) and > the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports said that the > guidelines had been drawn up to ensure that the "predominant use and > character of commercial developments are not eroded, and that such places > remain as secular spaces that can be enjoyed by people from all segments of > society". > > They also said that religious activities should be conducted at sites > designated as places of worship for religious groups. > > But they added that some flexibility could be exercised to allow the "limited > use of commercial premises by religious organisations". > > The URA has received requests from religious groups to use commercial spaces > for religious activities "from time to time", and the agency has exercised > some flexibility and allowed some of these proposals on a case-by-case basis. > > A URA spokesman said these guidelines have always been the agency's internal > guiding principles. They are now being made public "to provide greater > clarity to religious organisations and building owners on what can be allowed > within commercial developments". > > Property owners and religious groups should observe the guidelines if the > religious activities are held regularly in spaces in commercial and hotel > developments, such as auditoriums, function halls, convention centres and > cinemas. > > The guidelines do not apply to activities organised on an ad-hoc basis. > > Religious activities conducted in designated places of worship will not be > affected. > > Building owners and religious groups should ensure that religious activities > do not cause disturbances to the public, like traffic problems. > > The URA spokesman said that the guidelines apply to all religious groups, and > are not targeted at any particular organisation or group. > > City Harvest Church, which took a stake in Suntec Singapore and would use > some of the convention centre's facilities next year to conduct its church > activities, said that it is currently "studying the implications" of the > guidelines. > > Suntec Singapore said that the guidelines "provide clarity on the allowable > use of commercial spaces for religious activities". > > New Creation Church, which holds weekly sessions in Suntec City, declined to > comment. > > ken...@... > > > For more my paper stories click here. > Bookmark and Share > > > You are assuming religious meetings as predominantly Christian services with > songs, music and other performances. > > This is a narrow mindset, as there are other religious organization that do > NOT put on a show each weekend. > > Moreover, the guidelines are intended for those who are leasing on a > CONSISTENT and weekly basis. This is the difference between religious > organizations and pop shows.... > > There is nothing wrong to have guidelines in place to ensure that no religion > can "take over" a secular place exclusively and consistently for each weekend. > > And how is it an abuse of authority? Every country has its policy of zoning > areas for development. If a area is meant for residential living, surely you > don't build a factory over it (unless approval granted by the relevant land > agencies). > ..... > Posted by: shepherd_18 at Wed Jul 21 15:30:50 SGT 2010 > Actually, on why there are a need to use commercial buildings for the church > services. It is a matter of simple demand and supply. There are many small > churches who cannot offer to build a church, and so they use commercial > premises. All in all, the government is both the god and devil in this whole > saga. WHy, on one hand, they want to please people by coming with some stupid > rules of which most landlord are tied with hand to rent out their premises. > Is church office consdiered a worship place. There are many churches who rent > the office to handle their church affairs. > > ....... stil to come if I can gather some toughts on this issue. > Posted by: waihoong at Wed Jul 21 15:20:25 SGT 2010 > > > Let me share an experience with you. > > Whenever there are many cars doing illegally by the mosque goers, and during > the Hari Raya Haji and Puasa, the traffic warren close two eyes. (Mainly > Malay). Whenever there are Chinese New Year or other Church events, the Malay > Traffic Warren are always to stand by to book the cars. I have observed it so > many times, that is one time, I tell them off of inconsistent practices. WHy > they do not book their Malay or Mulsim, and book the Non-Malay or non_muslims. > > I have seen so many time. > > HOwever, I also aware of the churches behind YMCA are attended by some > political leaders, hence, they are not booked even though there are parking > places opposite them or nearby. > > It is not about compassion, it is about ..... > Posted by: waihoong at Wed Jul 21 15:15:50 SGT 2010 >
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