baca juga: Habe : The Naughty Jesus http://www.apakabar.ws/content/view/3043/88888889/ semoga bermanfaat.
--- In [email protected], PAREWA <parew...@...> wrote: > > Di negara2 barat kalo ngga salah disebut dg istilah "industri yesus". tuhan > dalam hal ini sudah menjadi komoditas ekonomi. Betapa tidak, duit yg berputar > disektor "industri" itu luar biasa besarnya. Dan pasar nya yg paling > prosepktif sejak beberapa dekade ini terdapat di masyarakat negara miskin > atau negara berkembang, setelah pasar barat lama meredup dan kehilangan > kepercayaan 'consumer'nya. Jadi...ya gitu deh. Masalah. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidunia@> wrote: > > > > > > Pertumbuhan kristen di Singapore, mereka memakai mal2 dan ruang2 publik > > dijadikan tempat konser musik dan khotbah, sampai pemerintah Singapore > > membatasi mereka. Ada beberapa gereja kota yg besar sekali di sana. > > > > > > Kristen itu agresif. Mereka kalau ditindas akan gerilya menggerogoti sampai > > rubuh bangunannya. Kalau dibiarkan akan mengadakan show dan kampanye > > besar2an untuk mencari pengikut. Itu sebabnya pemerintah2 yg dikuasai Islam > > di Indonesia sangat kuatir pada pertumbuhan gereja. Dikeluarkan aturan > > macam untuk melarang gereja. > > > > > > Kristen sudah menjadi agama pop. Beda dgn Islam yg makin menutup diri dan > > makin rapat dan rahasia, kristen berani membuka diri dan show terbuka > > dimana2. > > > > > > Semua menurutku ada salah ada benarnya. kita lihat saja. > > > > > > > > > Guidelines on use of mall space for religion > > > Wed, Jul 21, 2010 > > > my paper > > > > > > By Kenny Chee > > > > > > GUIDELINES on the extent to which commercial spaces are allowed to be used > > for religious activities were issued yesterday by the Government. > > > > > > The guidelines specify, among other things, that religious groups can carry > > out their activities in commercial premises, but in a "limited and > > nonexclusive" way. > > > > > > For example, religious activities in commercial areas should not take place > > for more than two days a week. > > > > > > Each religious group can use up to 10,000 sq m in any commercial space, > > while a commercial development should not have more than 20,000 sq m or 20 > > per cent of its gross floor area - whichever is lower - for religious > > activities. > > > > > > In a joint statement yesterday, the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) and > > the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports said that the > > guidelines had been drawn up to ensure that the "predominant use and > > character of commercial developments are not eroded, and that such places > > remain as secular spaces that can be enjoyed by people from all segments of > > society". > > > > > > They also said that religious activities should be conducted at sites > > designated as places of worship for religious groups. > > > > > > But they added that some flexibility could be exercised to allow the > > "limited use of commercial premises by religious organisations". > > > > > > The URA has received requests from religious groups to use commercial > > spaces for religious activities "from time to time", and the agency has > > exercised some flexibility and allowed some of these proposals on a > > case-by-case basis. > > > > > > A URA spokesman said these guidelines have always been the agency's > > internal guiding principles. They are now being made public "to provide > > greater clarity to religious organisations and building owners on what can > > be allowed within commercial developments". > > > > > > Property owners and religious groups should observe the guidelines if the > > religious activities are held regularly in spaces in commercial and hotel > > developments, such as auditoriums, function halls, convention centres and > > cinemas. > > > > > > The guidelines do not apply to activities organised on an ad-hoc basis. > > > > > > Religious activities conducted in designated places of worship will not be > > affected. > > > > > > Building owners and religious groups should ensure that religious > > activities do not cause disturbances to the public, like traffic problems. > > > > > > The URA spokesman said that the guidelines apply to all religious groups, > > and are not targeted at any particular organisation or group. > > > > > > City Harvest Church, which took a stake in Suntec Singapore and would use > > some of the convention centre's facilities next year to conduct its church > > activities, said that it is currently "studying the implications" of the > > guidelines. > > > > > > Suntec Singapore said that the guidelines "provide clarity on the allowable > > use of commercial spaces for religious activities". > > > > > > New Creation Church, which holds weekly sessions in Suntec City, declined > > to comment. > > > > > > kennyc@ > > > > > > > > > For more my paper stories click here. > > > Bookmark and Share > > > > > > > > > You are assuming religious meetings as predominantly Christian services > > with songs, music and other performances. > > > > > > This is a narrow mindset, as there are other religious organization that do > > NOT put on a show each weekend. > > > > > > Moreover, the guidelines are intended for those who are leasing on a > > CONSISTENT and weekly basis. This is the difference between religious > > organizations and pop shows.... > > > > > > There is nothing wrong to have guidelines in place to ensure that no > > religion can "take over" a secular place exclusively and consistently for > > each weekend. > > > > > > And how is it an abuse of authority? Every country has its policy of zoning > > areas for development. If a area is meant for residential living, surely > > you don't build a factory over it (unless approval granted by the relevant > > land agencies). > > > ..... > > > Posted by: shepherd_18 at Wed Jul 21 15:30:50 SGT 2010 > > > Actually, on why there are a need to use commercial buildings for the > > church services. It is a matter of simple demand and supply. There are many > > small churches who cannot offer to build a church, and so they use > > commercial premises. All in all, the government is both the god and devil > > in this whole saga. WHy, on one hand, they want to please people by coming > > with some stupid rules of which most landlord are tied with hand to rent > > out their premises. Is church office consdiered a worship place. There are > > many churches who rent the office to handle their church affairs. > > > > > > ....... stil to come if I can gather some toughts on this issue. > > > Posted by: waihoong at Wed Jul 21 15:20:25 SGT 2010 > > > > > > > > > Let me share an experience with you. > > > > > > Whenever there are many cars doing illegally by the mosque goers, and > > during the Hari Raya Haji and Puasa, the traffic warren close two eyes. > > (Mainly Malay). Whenever there are Chinese New Year or other Church events, > > the Malay Traffic Warren are always to stand by to book the cars. I have > > observed it so many times, that is one time, I tell them off of > > inconsistent practices. WHy they do not book their Malay or Mulsim, and > > book the Non-Malay or non_muslims. > > > > > > I have seen so many time. > > > > > > HOwever, I also aware of the churches behind YMCA are attended by some > > political leaders, hence, they are not booked even though there are parking > > places opposite them or nearby. > > > > > > It is not about compassion, it is about ..... > > > Posted by: waihoong at Wed Jul 21 15:15:50 SGT 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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