Wan,

Dalam sistem negara demokrasi  rakyat mempunyai hak dipilih dan memilih, tetapi 
Allah melarang untuk diangkat, dipilih  orang-orang beragama Yahudi dan 
Kristen, maka tentu saja demokrasi tidak cocok dengan paham Alloh. Untuk 
jelasnya lihat Al Quran 3:28 dan 5:51.   

Ustadz Abubakar BaƔyasir menjatakan dalam majalah National Geography bulan 
Oktober 2009, bahwa demokrasi tidak cocok bagi islam.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: wawan 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:16 PM
  Subject: [proletar] Re: JG: Hard-line Islamic Groups Again Attack Praying 
Christians


    

  saya baru ubek-ubek kajian ttg pandangan barat thd islam

  dan memang benar...bahwa islam menghambat demokratisasi dan menghambat 
berpikir rasional...

  orang timur kelemahannya memang berada pada hal ini (rasional)

  namum karen armstrong memberi catatan juga ttg kegagalan mohammad abduh, dan 
reformis-reformis islam selama ini

  termasuk kegagalan kemal attaturk di turki...

  saat ini dibawah tayyip erdogan saya kira turki kembali lagi ke arah 
mistisisme islam.

  yang menarik pandangan sigmund freud...

  agama ini seperti seksual, kalau direpresi atau ditekan/dipaksakan...maka 
akan malah meledak...

  jadi kemungkinan, kemajuan indonesia itu hanya bisa lahir dari kesadaran umat 
muslim sendiri untuk lebih rasional dan demokratis....

  ada semacam "trauma" umat muslim di indonesia khususnya thd bangsa barat atau 
sesuatu yang berbau asing, saya kira ini efek penjajahan jaman dahulu.

  --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.al...@...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > Islam itu sungguh mengerikan.
  > 
  > Islam itu sungguh menjijikkan.
  > 
  > --
  > 
  > 
  > Hard-line Islamic Groups Again Attack Praying Christians
  > Jakarta Globe | August 08, 2010
  > About 300 Islamic hard-liners on Sunday again attacked Christians who have 
been forced to pray in an open field in Bekasi, West Java. About 300 Islamic 
hard-liners on Sunday again attacked Christians who have been forced to pray in 
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  > Bekasi, Indonesia. In the latest attack by extremists on religious 
minorities in West Java, 300 Islamic hard-liners intimidated, bullied and 
assaulted a priest and 20 Christian churchgoers praying in a field in Bekasi on 
Sunday morning.
  > 
  > The attack follows an identical incident last Sunday, when 300 members of 
the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) and Islamic People's Forum (FUI) protested 
against members of the Batak Christian Protestant Church (HKBP) from Pondok 
Timur Indah.
  > 
  > Churchgoers have been worshipping in a field in Ciketing Asem after the 
Bekasi municipality sequestered their church and sealed it from use.
  > 
  > Bekasi Mayor Mochtar Mohammad reportedly promised to let the Christian 
group hold church activities in Bekasi's public areas and also agreed to send 
police to safeguard the church's activities.
  > 
  > That appeared not to have happened on Sunday.
  > 
  > Reverend Luspida Simanjuntak told the Jakarta Globe that 20 churchgoers 
were praying in a field when they were surrounded and told to leave, which they 
refused to do.
  > 
  > The hard-liners then began to close in on the group and pushing followed. 
Luspida and another priest were also assaulted.
  > 
  > Luspida said the incident had prompted the group to file charges against 
the religious groups, alleging assault and defiling a religion.
  > 
  > She said she hoped the Bekasi local government would act to allow her 
congregation to pray in peace and safety.
  > 
  > "Each time we pray, we are shadowed by terror. If we're not allowed to 
worship in the field, give us a facility elsewhere," she said.
  >



  





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