Tawangalun blingsatan karena ada orang Arab pada murtad :) Keluarga Muhammad sendiri banyak yg bukan Muslim & menertawakan wahyu Muhammad :)
--- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.al...@...> wrote: > > Goblok. > > Tolol. > > Yang murtad itu orang Arab yang mikir.. > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > Ukuran kebenaran bukan peh dilakukan wong Arab atau dilakukan > > mayority.Justru ada orang genius yg bisa lulus ujian hanya sendirian soale > > yg lain gak lulus gak bisa ngerjakan soal. > > > > Shalom, > > Tawangalun. > > > > --- In [email protected], Si Kebenaran <sikebenaran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makin banyak aja orang Arab Muslim yg murtad :) > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/06/15/interview-with-an-arab-atheist-does-islam-drive-its-youth-away/ > > > > > >  > > > > > > Interview with an Arab atheist â" > > > Does Islam drive its youth away? > > > > > > by Esra'a > > > (Bahrain) > > > > > > June 15th, 2007 > > > > > >  > > > > > > While I was in the UAE earlier this week, I conducted an interview with > > > one > > > of my friends who is an atheist. > > > > > >  > > > > > > So Iâd like to share this interview with Adel Jalal, a 23 year old > > > business > > > student in Abu Dhabi. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Hi Adel. Can you tell us a bit about yourself? > > > > > > A: Yes. Iâm Adel, a student from the UAE. I love everything about > > > classical > > > Arabic music and Iâm addicted to Arabic literature. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Interesting introduction, but I must ask, why do you stress the > > > love of Arab culture so much? > > > > > > A: I donât hesitate to describe myself as atheist, but when you describe > > > yourself as such here tell me the first thing that comes to your mind? > > > Probably > > > brainwashed, Satan worshiper, traitor. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: True, but that doesnât really answer the question. Why do you > > > boast about your love of Arab culture, specifically? I noticed that when > > > we > > > first discussed this, you said that youâre an atheist shortly before > > > you tried > > > to convince me that youâre not anti-Arab. Explain to me why you feel > > > the need to > > > do that? > > > > > > A: Because non-Muslim Arabs are left out. We feel like we have no real > > > space in > > > society, especially in any intellectual field. When I say Iâm atheist, > > > people > > > always tell me that I have become traitor. A sell-out. Someone who > > > doesnât know > > > what it truly means to be âArab.â Why? Because Arab means Muslim and > > > Muslim > > > means Arab? What does personal religious views have to do with my > > > culture, my > > > past, my identity? An Arab, this is something I am. This is something I > > > take > > > much pride in. Why do people attach my personal opinions to who I am, to > > > my > > > nationality? Does being Arab mean being intellectually identical to every > > > other > > > Arab out there? > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Hey, whoâs the one asking the questions?! Kidding. Iâm very > > > interested in what youâre saying, especially about the left out part, > > > in fact I > > > previously interviewed an Arab Jew who stated just that. Itâs a shame > > > really > > > when people arenât accepting of differences, be it political or > > > religious. So > > > tell me, were you born a Muslim? > > > > > > A: Yes and raised a Muslim. To be honest this is what drove me against > > > religions. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: What do you mean? > > > > > > A: I mean that religion is everything to a person. Especially when you > > > strictly > > > practice it, it quickly consumes everything you have. If you donât > > > honestly > > > believe in any religion then you shouldnât identify yourself as a > > > believer of > > > any religion. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: So your choice of being a Muslim has much to do with > > > socialization rather than Islam itself? > > > > > > A: Precisely. I have a problem with any existing religion that people are > > > forced into. In any normal society there should be a choice, and whatever > > > that > > > choice is, it needs to be respected. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: What about Islam? When people learn that you are an ex-Muslim, do > > > they ever imply that youâre anti-Muslim too? > > > > > > A: Yes even though the connection for me isnât really there. For a lot > > > of > > > ex-Muslims you will see that they have a major problem with Islam itself > > > most > > > likely due to the societies they live in. My reasons arenât Islam, in > > > fact I > > > have a bigger problem with Christianity than Islam, and I have no problem > > > with > > > being in a Muslim culture and living around Muslims or being a part of a > > > Muslim > > > family. But I have a problem when someone is offended with my decision of > > > not > > > being a Muslim, and in the Arab world this is a huge problem as Iâm > > > sure you > > > know. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Yes, my problem is with Islam being enforced upon people who > > > donât really accept it but donât have the balls to say âI donât > > > want this > > > religion and I donât respect it.â > > > > > > A: Exactly and this is what our youth faces today, fear. If they say it > > > they > > > are damned to Hell by not only their families and friends but by society > > > as a > > > whole. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Look at the case of Kareem > > > Amer for example. > > > > > > A: Yes itâs indeed a very discouraging example of the risks we face if > > > we > > > publicly state anything our society disagrees with. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: And thatâs exactly why a group of us Muslims are fighting for > > > Kareem despite what he said about Islam ⦠and his main supporters > > > represent > > > Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Mauritania, and Morocco, so itâs Muslims from > > > all over > > > the Arab world fighting for Kareem. It doesnât mean we agree with him, > > > it just > > > means that we need to allow these ideas to be stated without people facing > > > harsh consequences, especially a prison sentence! > > > > > > A: I agree but itâs going to take years for anyone to be really > > > convinced of > > > that. Remember that most Muslims think itâs their duty to silence or > > > kill these > > > types of people; âKafirs.â > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Most Muslims? Come on. > > > > > > A: Okay, a lot of them. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: This is a new generation going through all kinds of experiences⦠> > > this is the best time ever to start fighting for not only our rights but > > > the > > > rights of others within our communities. Minorities in Arab countries go > > > through a lot and itâs unacceptable. We should be the ones condemning > > > this > > > injustice. > > > > > > A: Arab Bahaâis, now this is a minority that I truly feel for. You know > > > the > > > Bahaâi faith is considered a âbullshit religionâ here. Most people > > > donât know > > > what it really is, so throughout the region they lack the most basic > > > rights > > > because people consider them infidels. I think their case in certain > > > countries > > > are worse than that of Jews or Christians. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: What do you think about that? > > > > > > A: I think anyone who attacks others for being different arenât > > > confident > > > enough to deal with intellectual and religious challenges. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Whatâs the difference being âcarelessâ and âatheist?â I meet > > > so > > > many people who call themselves atheist when they really mean that they > > > donât > > > subscribe to any other religion. > > > > > > A: Yes, for the past two years I used to describe myself as agnostic > > > until I > > > realized that I strongly disbelieve in the existence of any God as there > > > is no > > > real evidence, which is what led me to become an atheist. Religions are > > > all > > > mythical. This is the argument that usually offends others⦠but I > > > donât have > > > anything against their views! Iâm just saying what I believe and people > > > here go > > > crazy about it. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Yes the problem with us Muslims is that many of us are very > > > emotionally attached⦠so weird. Iâm over-defensive but not > > > obsessively so. My > > > arguments are also entirely emotional and not factual which is really > > > retarded. > > > > > > A: As long as you respect different people I have no problem with > > > anything you > > > choose to believe in. This level of respect and tolerance isnât found > > > with ease > > > in our societies. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: A lot of Muslims all over the Muslim world would literally kill > > > anyone who disagrees and then they expect progress. In my opinion this > > > isnât > > > really Islam. By the way, what do you think about Koranic (real) Islam and > > > political Islam? > > > > > > A: No offense but the fact that there are so many types of Islam only > > > proves > > > that itâs not a real religion but rather one created simply for the > > > sake of > > > social control. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Itâs actually very hard to disagree with that when you consider > > > countries like Iran, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, et al, where > > > socio-political instability is being justified as âthis is what Islam > > > wants.â > > > > > > A: Itâs a very sad case. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Seriously I donât get that. There are so many things here being > > > constantly dismissed when religious leaders convince people that this is > > > the > > > Islam that they were born and raised to follow. If they dislike anything > > > about > > > you, what youâre wearing, or what your opinions are, they immediately > > > blame you > > > for being an infidel. And donât even get me started on justifications > > > of rape. > > > > > > A: I know, itâs like I can see your hair and Iâm very tempted to rape > > > you. > > > Islam gives me that right, it told you to wear a hijab and you didnât! > > > Now I > > > can rape you and Allah will understand. Heh. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Actually, this is an existing mentality. You find this argument > > > all over. Is it really our fault when men claim they canât control > > > their raging > > > desires to have sex with any woman who shows her face or hell, even HANDS? > > > > > > A: My girlfriend is Japanese and she tells me that this same idea exists > > > in > > > their culture too, which is also very male dominant. Of course this is > > > with > > > Geishas, not with hijab. As you know Geishas paint their faces white, and > > > if a > > > man sees a trace of her real skin color, this is considered very > > > tempting! I > > > was surprised when she told me. Whenever we discuss these things itâs > > > really > > > amazing how many similarities we have. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Which goes to show how culture and society arenât entirely > > > representative of religion. > > > > > > A: The problem with us is that censorship created a different culture. > > > Even if > > > the government gives you rights to practice any religion freely you will > > > still > > > find trouble fitting in especially if youâre an insider. Like I said > > > with me > > > being an Arab, I feel like I lost 99% of my identity because Iâm not > > > Muslim. I > > > know the situation is different in Lebanon and Jordan where non-Muslim > > > Arabs > > > are accepted but with me in the Gulf itâs really different. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Yes Bahrain is the same way. There are many atheists and > > > agnostics here, in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait, and the Iranians I meet are > > > almost > > > never attached to religion. Many do describe themselves as atheists too > > > as they > > > are strongly against all forms of religion especially if itâs enforced > > > upon > > > them. This is what drives people away from Islam â" nobody likes to be > > > forced > > > to believe anything. > > > > > > A: You will be surprised as to how many people are like me here and feel > > > the > > > way I do but donât feel comfortable enough sharing these ideas. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: And you share them quite comfortably, you even quickly agreed to > > > do this interview, why? > > > > > > A: To show everyone that Arabs arenât really what most people say we are > > > especially with regards to our youth. Atheism, converts, apostasy, these > > > are > > > all considered big taboos thatâs why we donât talk about it. People > > > fail to > > > understand us and who we really are when we fail to discuss these things > > > publicly and securely. Everyone thinks weâre so oppressed and that we > > > easily > > > fall for religion or that we are comfortable with our societal and > > > cultural > > > restrictions, but we are so diverse here. Arabs should never be defined as > > > Muslims. Weâre all different and fellow Arabs need to learn how to > > > respect this > > > difference instead of trying to make everyone else think the way they do. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Do you find Islam to be a problem that leads to our societal > > > restrictions? > > > > > > A: Well, a lot of religious Muslims are decent and understand the > > > importance of > > > living in a free and tolerant society. I know that Islam is not our > > > problem. > > > Politics is our weakness and Islam is just an excuse that many of our > > > governments successfully get away with. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Finally, do you consider yourself typical, as in an average young > > > Arab with these types of views? > > > > > > A: Iâm average in every other way except maybe mentally. Well, kind of. > > > A lot > > > of young Arabs like me donât follow the path of Islam. We only think > > > itâs not > > > average because people donât talk about it, but itâs so average. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: By âdonât follow the path of Islamâ you mean they drink alcohol, > > > eat pork, have premarital sex, and do the opposite of what the Koran asks > > > for > > > right? > > > > > > A: Haha yes. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Hey Iâm Bahraini, trust me I know what you mean. > > > > > > A: Itâs ironic isnât it? > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: I would say hypocritical, but only if these people still claim to > > > be Muslims⦠which many do. But if you do all that without subscribing > > > to this > > > religion then why not? Go ahead. And agreeing with you, this lifestyle > > > shouldnât make anyone less of an Arab. It shouldnât have anything to > > > do with > > > being an Arab. > > > > > > A: I actually refuse to drink, have sex before marriage, or eat pork, > > > even if I > > > am not a Muslim anymore. I think it is part of me growing up. But these > > > are > > > decisions that I personally made and am very comfortable with. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Q: Okay Adel, itâs been great talking to you as usual. Thanks for > > > this interview. > > > > > > A: Youâre welcome. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be compared because > > > of they teach love & justice. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is different wih Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, > > > MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, > > > DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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