Koreksi: Imam Mahdi bukan anti-Christ.. Saya kutp dari Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi "Possible Biblical interpretations In their book, Al Mahdi and the End of Time, Muhammad ibn Izzat and Muhammad Arif, two well-known Egyptian authors, identify the Mahdi in the Book of Revelation, quoting the hadith narrator Ka'ab al-Ahbar. In one place, they write, "I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets For instance, the Book of Revelation says: "And I saw and behold a white horse. He that sat on him [ ] went forth conquering and to conquer." Ibn Izzat and Arif then go on to say: "It is clear that this man is the Mahdi who will ride the white horse and judge by the Qur'an (with justice) and with whom will be men with marks of prostration (zabiba) on their foreheads."[34]" --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawanga...@...> wrote: > > Memang Imam mahdi tsb munculnya mendekati jagad digulung,sekarang kamu > puas2in lah dg ketololanmu. > > Shalom, > Tawangalun. > > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > Sudah empat belas abad orang Islam menunggu Iman Mahdi yang nggak > > datang-datang... > > > > Lha tu omong kosong tentang Imam Mahdi juga cuman contekan dari ajaran > > Nasrani, yaitu anti-Christ... > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > > > Saya kan tahu takdir Allah yg gawe cerita kehidupan wong diseluruh dunia > > > ini seperti ketoprak dg sutradara Allah. > > > La Islam itu garisnya sesuai dilakon diawalnya jaya,lalu surut soale ada > > > hadis:nanti umatKu akan seperti buih dilautan.Ada lagi:Nanti umatKu akan > > > terpecah 73 golongan.La hadis tsb sedang terjadi dan menandai bahwa masa > > > surut sedang terjadi.Habis itu nanti akan muncul Imam Mahdi dan Isa AS.La > > > saat itulah Islam bakal jaya lagi. > > > Jadi mirip film James Bond kan awalnya 007 menang lalu ketawan musuhnya > > > dulu .La menjelang diakir cerita 007 secara spectacular akan mengalahkan > > > musuhnya,so do Islam nanti. > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sikebenaran" <sikebenaran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tawangalun blingsatan karena ada orang Arab pada murtad :) > > > > > > > > Keluarga Muhammad sendiri banyak yg bukan Muslim & menertawakan wahyu > > > > Muhammad :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Goblok. > > > > > > > > > > Tolol. > > > > > > > > > > Yang murtad itu orang Arab yang mikir.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ukuran kebenaran bukan peh dilakukan wong Arab atau dilakukan > > > > > > mayority.Justru ada orang genius yg bisa lulus ujian hanya > > > > > > sendirian soale yg lain gak lulus gak bisa ngerjakan soal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom, > > > > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Si Kebenaran <sikebenaran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makin banyak aja orang Arab Muslim yg murtad :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/06/15/interview-with-an-arab-atheist-does-islam-drive-its-youth-away/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interview with an Arab atheist â" > > > > > > > Does Islam drive its youth away? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Esra'a > > > > > > > (Bahrain) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 15th, 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I was in the UAE earlier this week, I conducted an > > > > > > > interview with one > > > > > > > of my friends who is an atheist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Iâd like to share this interview with Adel Jalal, a 23 year > > > > > > > old business > > > > > > > student in Abu Dhabi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Hi Adel. Can you tell us a bit about yourself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Yes. Iâm Adel, a student from the UAE. I love everything > > > > > > > about classical > > > > > > > Arabic music and Iâm addicted to Arabic literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Interesting introduction, but I must ask, why do you stress the > > > > > > > love of Arab culture so much? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: I donât hesitate to describe myself as atheist, but when you > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > yourself as such here tell me the first thing that comes to your > > > > > > > mind? Probably > > > > > > > brainwashed, Satan worshiper, traitor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: True, but that doesnât really answer the question. Why do you > > > > > > > boast about your love of Arab culture, specifically? I noticed > > > > > > > that when we > > > > > > > first discussed this, you said that youâre an atheist shortly > > > > > > > before you tried > > > > > > > to convince me that youâre not anti-Arab. Explain to me why you > > > > > > > feel the need to > > > > > > > do that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Because non-Muslim Arabs are left out. We feel like we have no > > > > > > > real space in > > > > > > > society, especially in any intellectual field. When I say Iâm > > > > > > > atheist, people > > > > > > > always tell me that I have become traitor. A sell-out. Someone > > > > > > > who doesnât know > > > > > > > what it truly means to be âArab.â Why? Because Arab means > > > > > > > Muslim and Muslim > > > > > > > means Arab? What does personal religious views have to do with my > > > > > > > culture, my > > > > > > > past, my identity? An Arab, this is something I am. This is > > > > > > > something I take > > > > > > > much pride in. Why do people attach my personal opinions to who I > > > > > > > am, to my > > > > > > > nationality? Does being Arab mean being intellectually identical > > > > > > > to every other > > > > > > > Arab out there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Hey, whoâs the one asking the questions?! Kidding. Iâm very > > > > > > > interested in what youâre saying, especially about the left out > > > > > > > part, in fact I > > > > > > > previously interviewed an Arab Jew who stated just that. Itâs a > > > > > > > shame really > > > > > > > when people arenât accepting of differences, be it political or > > > > > > > religious. So > > > > > > > tell me, were you born a Muslim? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Yes and raised a Muslim. To be honest this is what drove me > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > religions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: What do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: I mean that religion is everything to a person. Especially > > > > > > > when you strictly > > > > > > > practice it, it quickly consumes everything you have. If you > > > > > > > donât honestly > > > > > > > believe in any religion then you shouldnât identify yourself as > > > > > > > a believer of > > > > > > > any religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: So your choice of being a Muslim has much to do with > > > > > > > socialization rather than Islam itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Precisely. I have a problem with any existing religion that > > > > > > > people are > > > > > > > forced into. In any normal society there should be a choice, and > > > > > > > whatever that > > > > > > > choice is, it needs to be respected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: What about Islam? When people learn that you are an ex-Muslim, > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > they ever imply that youâre anti-Muslim too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Yes even though the connection for me isnât really there. > > > > > > > For a lot of > > > > > > > ex-Muslims you will see that they have a major problem with Islam > > > > > > > itself most > > > > > > > likely due to the societies they live in. My reasons arenât > > > > > > > Islam, in fact I > > > > > > > have a bigger problem with Christianity than Islam, and I have no > > > > > > > problem with > > > > > > > being in a Muslim culture and living around Muslims or being a > > > > > > > part of a Muslim > > > > > > > family. But I have a problem when someone is offended with my > > > > > > > decision of not > > > > > > > being a Muslim, and in the Arab world this is a huge problem as > > > > > > > Iâm sure you > > > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Yes, my problem is with Islam being enforced upon people who > > > > > > > donât really accept it but donât have the balls to say âI > > > > > > > donât want this > > > > > > > religion and I donât respect it.â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Exactly and this is what our youth faces today, fear. If they > > > > > > > say it they > > > > > > > are damned to Hell by not only their families and friends but by > > > > > > > society as a > > > > > > > whole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Look at the case of Kareem > > > > > > > Amer for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Yes itâs indeed a very discouraging example of the risks we > > > > > > > face if we > > > > > > > publicly state anything our society disagrees with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: And thatâs exactly why a group of us Muslims are fighting for > > > > > > > Kareem despite what he said about Islam ⦠and his main > > > > > > > supporters represent > > > > > > > Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Mauritania, and Morocco, so itâs > > > > > > > Muslims from all over > > > > > > > the Arab world fighting for Kareem. It doesnât mean we agree > > > > > > > with him, it just > > > > > > > means that we need to allow these ideas to be stated without > > > > > > > people facing > > > > > > > harsh consequences, especially a prison sentence! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: I agree but itâs going to take years for anyone to be really > > > > > > > convinced of > > > > > > > that. Remember that most Muslims think itâs their duty to > > > > > > > silence or kill these > > > > > > > types of people; âKafirs.â > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Most Muslims? Come on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Okay, a lot of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: This is a new generation going through all kinds of > > > > > > > experiences⦠> > > > > > > this is the best time ever to start fighting for not only our > > > > > > > rights but the > > > > > > > rights of others within our communities. Minorities in Arab > > > > > > > countries go > > > > > > > through a lot and itâs unacceptable. We should be the ones > > > > > > > condemning this > > > > > > > injustice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Arab Bahaâis, now this is a minority that I truly feel for. > > > > > > > You know the > > > > > > > Bahaâi faith is considered a âbullshit religionâ here. Most > > > > > > > people donât know > > > > > > > what it really is, so throughout the region they lack the most > > > > > > > basic rights > > > > > > > because people consider them infidels. I think their case in > > > > > > > certain countries > > > > > > > are worse than that of Jews or Christians. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: What do you think about that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: I think anyone who attacks others for being different arenât > > > > > > > confident > > > > > > > enough to deal with intellectual and religious challenges. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Whatâs the difference being âcarelessâ and > > > > > > > âatheist?â I meet so > > > > > > > many people who call themselves atheist when they really mean > > > > > > > that they donât > > > > > > > subscribe to any other religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Yes, for the past two years I used to describe myself as > > > > > > > agnostic until I > > > > > > > realized that I strongly disbelieve in the existence of any God > > > > > > > as there is no > > > > > > > real evidence, which is what led me to become an atheist. > > > > > > > Religions are all > > > > > > > mythical. This is the argument that usually offends others⦠but > > > > > > > I donât have > > > > > > > anything against their views! Iâm just saying what I believe > > > > > > > and people here go > > > > > > > crazy about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Yes the problem with us Muslims is that many of us are very > > > > > > > emotionally attached⦠so weird. Iâm over-defensive but not > > > > > > > obsessively so. My > > > > > > > arguments are also entirely emotional and not factual which is > > > > > > > really retarded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: As long as you respect different people I have no problem with > > > > > > > anything you > > > > > > > choose to believe in. This level of respect and tolerance isnât > > > > > > > found with ease > > > > > > > in our societies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: A lot of Muslims all over the Muslim world would literally kill > > > > > > > anyone who disagrees and then they expect progress. In my opinion > > > > > > > this isnât > > > > > > > really Islam. By the way, what do you think about Koranic (real) > > > > > > > Islam and > > > > > > > political Islam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: No offense but the fact that there are so many types of Islam > > > > > > > only proves > > > > > > > that itâs not a real religion but rather one created simply for > > > > > > > the sake of > > > > > > > social control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Itâs actually very hard to disagree with that when you > > > > > > > consider > > > > > > > countries like Iran, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, et al, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > socio-political instability is being justified as âthis is what > > > > > > > Islam wants.â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Itâs a very sad case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Seriously I donât get that. There are so many things here > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > constantly dismissed when religious leaders convince people that > > > > > > > this is the > > > > > > > Islam that they were born and raised to follow. If they dislike > > > > > > > anything about > > > > > > > you, what youâre wearing, or what your opinions are, they > > > > > > > immediately blame you > > > > > > > for being an infidel. And donât even get me started on > > > > > > > justifications of rape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: I know, itâs like I can see your hair and Iâm very tempted > > > > > > > to rape you. > > > > > > > Islam gives me that right, it told you to wear a hijab and you > > > > > > > didnât! Now I > > > > > > > can rape you and Allah will understand. Heh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Actually, this is an existing mentality. You find this argument > > > > > > > all over. Is it really our fault when men claim they canât > > > > > > > control their raging > > > > > > > desires to have sex with any woman who shows her face or hell, > > > > > > > even HANDS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: My girlfriend is Japanese and she tells me that this same idea > > > > > > > exists in > > > > > > > their culture too, which is also very male dominant. Of course > > > > > > > this is with > > > > > > > Geishas, not with hijab. As you know Geishas paint their faces > > > > > > > white, and if a > > > > > > > man sees a trace of her real skin color, this is considered very > > > > > > > tempting! I > > > > > > > was surprised when she told me. Whenever we discuss these things > > > > > > > itâs really > > > > > > > amazing how many similarities we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Which goes to show how culture and society arenât entirely > > > > > > > representative of religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: The problem with us is that censorship created a different > > > > > > > culture. Even if > > > > > > > the government gives you rights to practice any religion freely > > > > > > > you will still > > > > > > > find trouble fitting in especially if youâre an insider. Like I > > > > > > > said with me > > > > > > > being an Arab, I feel like I lost 99% of my identity because > > > > > > > Iâm not Muslim. I > > > > > > > know the situation is different in Lebanon and Jordan where > > > > > > > non-Muslim Arabs > > > > > > > are accepted but with me in the Gulf itâs really different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Yes Bahrain is the same way. There are many atheists and > > > > > > > agnostics here, in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait, and the Iranians I > > > > > > > meet are almost > > > > > > > never attached to religion. Many do describe themselves as > > > > > > > atheists too as they > > > > > > > are strongly against all forms of religion especially if itâs > > > > > > > enforced upon > > > > > > > them. This is what drives people away from Islam â" nobody likes > > > > > > > to be forced > > > > > > > to believe anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: You will be surprised as to how many people are like me here > > > > > > > and feel the > > > > > > > way I do but donât feel comfortable enough sharing these ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: And you share them quite comfortably, you even quickly agreed > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do this interview, why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: To show everyone that Arabs arenât really what most people > > > > > > > say we are > > > > > > > especially with regards to our youth. Atheism, converts, > > > > > > > apostasy, these are > > > > > > > all considered big taboos thatâs why we donât talk about it. > > > > > > > People fail to > > > > > > > understand us and who we really are when we fail to discuss these > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > publicly and securely. Everyone thinks weâre so oppressed and > > > > > > > that we easily > > > > > > > fall for religion or that we are comfortable with our societal > > > > > > > and cultural > > > > > > > restrictions, but we are so diverse here. Arabs should never be > > > > > > > defined as > > > > > > > Muslims. Weâre all different and fellow Arabs need to learn how > > > > > > > to respect this > > > > > > > difference instead of trying to make everyone else think the way > > > > > > > they do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Do you find Islam to be a problem that leads to our societal > > > > > > > restrictions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Well, a lot of religious Muslims are decent and understand the > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > living in a free and tolerant society. I know that Islam is not > > > > > > > our problem. > > > > > > > Politics is our weakness and Islam is just an excuse that many of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > governments successfully get away with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Finally, do you consider yourself typical, as in an average > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > Arab with these types of views? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Iâm average in every other way except maybe mentally. Well, > > > > > > > kind of. A lot > > > > > > > of young Arabs like me donât follow the path of Islam. We only > > > > > > > think itâs not > > > > > > > average because people donât talk about it, but itâs so > > > > > > > average. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: By âdonât follow the path of Islamâ you mean they drink > > > > > > > alcohol, > > > > > > > eat pork, have premarital sex, and do the opposite of what the > > > > > > > Koran asks for > > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Haha yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Hey Iâm Bahraini, trust me I know what you mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Itâs ironic isnât it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: I would say hypocritical, but only if these people still claim > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be Muslims⦠which many do. But if you do all that without > > > > > > > subscribing to this > > > > > > > religion then why not? Go ahead. And agreeing with you, this > > > > > > > lifestyle > > > > > > > shouldnât make anyone less of an Arab. It shouldnât have > > > > > > > anything to do with > > > > > > > being an Arab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: I actually refuse to drink, have sex before marriage, or eat > > > > > > > pork, even if I > > > > > > > am not a Muslim anymore. I think it is part of me growing up. But > > > > > > > these are > > > > > > > decisions that I personally made and am very comfortable with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Q: Okay Adel, itâs been great talking to you as usual. Thanks > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > this interview. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Youâre welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be compared > > > > > > > because of they teach love & justice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is different wih Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a > > > > > > > ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD > > > > > > > MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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