Saya kan tahu takdir Allah yg gawe cerita kehidupan wong diseluruh dunia ini seperti ketoprak dg sutradara Allah. La Islam itu garisnya sesuai dilakon diawalnya jaya,lalu surut soale ada hadis:nanti umatKu akan seperti buih dilautan.Ada lagi:Nanti umatKu akan terpecah 73 golongan.La hadis tsb sedang terjadi dan menandai bahwa masa surut sedang terjadi.Habis itu nanti akan muncul Imam Mahdi dan Isa AS.La saat itulah Islam bakal jaya lagi. Jadi mirip film James Bond kan awalnya 007 menang lalu ketawan musuhnya dulu .La diakir cerita 007 secara spectacular akan mengalahkan musuhnya,so do Islam nanti.
Shalom, Tawangalun. --- In [email protected], "sikebenaran" <sikebena...@...> wrote: > > > Tawangalun blingsatan karena ada orang Arab pada murtad :) > > Keluarga Muhammad sendiri banyak yg bukan Muslim & menertawakan wahyu > Muhammad :) > > > > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > Goblok. > > > > Tolol. > > > > Yang murtad itu orang Arab yang mikir.. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > > > Ukuran kebenaran bukan peh dilakukan wong Arab atau dilakukan > > > mayority.Justru ada orang genius yg bisa lulus ujian hanya sendirian > > > soale yg lain gak lulus gak bisa ngerjakan soal. > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Si Kebenaran <sikebenaran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makin banyak aja orang Arab Muslim yg murtad :) > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/06/15/interview-with-an-arab-atheist-does-islam-drive-its-youth-away/ > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Interview with an Arab atheist â" > > > > Does Islam drive its youth away? > > > > > > > > by Esra'a > > > > (Bahrain) > > > > > > > > June 15th, 2007 > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > While I was in the UAE earlier this week, I conducted an interview with > > > > one > > > > of my friends who is an atheist. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > So Iâd like to share this interview with Adel Jalal, a 23 year old > > > > business > > > > student in Abu Dhabi. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Hi Adel. Can you tell us a bit about yourself? > > > > > > > > A: Yes. Iâm Adel, a student from the UAE. I love everything about > > > > classical > > > > Arabic music and Iâm addicted to Arabic literature. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Interesting introduction, but I must ask, why do you stress the > > > > love of Arab culture so much? > > > > > > > > A: I donât hesitate to describe myself as atheist, but when you > > > > describe > > > > yourself as such here tell me the first thing that comes to your mind? > > > > Probably > > > > brainwashed, Satan worshiper, traitor. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: True, but that doesnât really answer the question. Why do you > > > > boast about your love of Arab culture, specifically? I noticed that > > > > when we > > > > first discussed this, you said that youâre an atheist shortly before > > > > you tried > > > > to convince me that youâre not anti-Arab. Explain to me why you feel > > > > the need to > > > > do that? > > > > > > > > A: Because non-Muslim Arabs are left out. We feel like we have no real > > > > space in > > > > society, especially in any intellectual field. When I say Iâm > > > > atheist, people > > > > always tell me that I have become traitor. A sell-out. Someone who > > > > doesnât know > > > > what it truly means to be âArab.â Why? Because Arab means Muslim > > > > and Muslim > > > > means Arab? What does personal religious views have to do with my > > > > culture, my > > > > past, my identity? An Arab, this is something I am. This is something I > > > > take > > > > much pride in. Why do people attach my personal opinions to who I am, > > > > to my > > > > nationality? Does being Arab mean being intellectually identical to > > > > every other > > > > Arab out there? > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Hey, whoâs the one asking the questions?! Kidding. Iâm very > > > > interested in what youâre saying, especially about the left out part, > > > > in fact I > > > > previously interviewed an Arab Jew who stated just that. Itâs a shame > > > > really > > > > when people arenât accepting of differences, be it political or > > > > religious. So > > > > tell me, were you born a Muslim? > > > > > > > > A: Yes and raised a Muslim. To be honest this is what drove me against > > > > religions. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: What do you mean? > > > > > > > > A: I mean that religion is everything to a person. Especially when you > > > > strictly > > > > practice it, it quickly consumes everything you have. If you donât > > > > honestly > > > > believe in any religion then you shouldnât identify yourself as a > > > > believer of > > > > any religion. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: So your choice of being a Muslim has much to do with > > > > socialization rather than Islam itself? > > > > > > > > A: Precisely. I have a problem with any existing religion that people > > > > are > > > > forced into. In any normal society there should be a choice, and > > > > whatever that > > > > choice is, it needs to be respected. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: What about Islam? When people learn that you are an ex-Muslim, do > > > > they ever imply that youâre anti-Muslim too? > > > > > > > > A: Yes even though the connection for me isnât really there. For a > > > > lot of > > > > ex-Muslims you will see that they have a major problem with Islam > > > > itself most > > > > likely due to the societies they live in. My reasons arenât Islam, in > > > > fact I > > > > have a bigger problem with Christianity than Islam, and I have no > > > > problem with > > > > being in a Muslim culture and living around Muslims or being a part of > > > > a Muslim > > > > family. But I have a problem when someone is offended with my decision > > > > of not > > > > being a Muslim, and in the Arab world this is a huge problem as Iâm > > > > sure you > > > > know. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Yes, my problem is with Islam being enforced upon people who > > > > donât really accept it but donât have the balls to say âI donât > > > > want this > > > > religion and I donât respect it.â > > > > > > > > A: Exactly and this is what our youth faces today, fear. If they say it > > > > they > > > > are damned to Hell by not only their families and friends but by > > > > society as a > > > > whole. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Look at the case of Kareem > > > > Amer for example. > > > > > > > > A: Yes itâs indeed a very discouraging example of the risks we face > > > > if we > > > > publicly state anything our society disagrees with. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: And thatâs exactly why a group of us Muslims are fighting for > > > > Kareem despite what he said about Islam ⦠and his main supporters > > > > represent > > > > Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Mauritania, and Morocco, so itâs Muslims from > > > > all over > > > > the Arab world fighting for Kareem. It doesnât mean we agree with > > > > him, it just > > > > means that we need to allow these ideas to be stated without people > > > > facing > > > > harsh consequences, especially a prison sentence! > > > > > > > > A: I agree but itâs going to take years for anyone to be really > > > > convinced of > > > > that. Remember that most Muslims think itâs their duty to silence or > > > > kill these > > > > types of people; âKafirs.â > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Most Muslims? Come on. > > > > > > > > A: Okay, a lot of them. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: This is a new generation going through all kinds of experiences⦠> > > > this is the best time ever to start fighting for not only our rights > > > > but the > > > > rights of others within our communities. Minorities in Arab countries go > > > > through a lot and itâs unacceptable. We should be the ones condemning > > > > this > > > > injustice. > > > > > > > > A: Arab Bahaâis, now this is a minority that I truly feel for. You > > > > know the > > > > Bahaâi faith is considered a âbullshit religionâ here. Most > > > > people donât know > > > > what it really is, so throughout the region they lack the most basic > > > > rights > > > > because people consider them infidels. I think their case in certain > > > > countries > > > > are worse than that of Jews or Christians. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: What do you think about that? > > > > > > > > A: I think anyone who attacks others for being different arenât > > > > confident > > > > enough to deal with intellectual and religious challenges. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Whatâs the difference being âcarelessâ and âatheist?â I > > > > meet so > > > > many people who call themselves atheist when they really mean that they > > > > donât > > > > subscribe to any other religion. > > > > > > > > A: Yes, for the past two years I used to describe myself as agnostic > > > > until I > > > > realized that I strongly disbelieve in the existence of any God as > > > > there is no > > > > real evidence, which is what led me to become an atheist. Religions are > > > > all > > > > mythical. This is the argument that usually offends others⦠but I > > > > donât have > > > > anything against their views! Iâm just saying what I believe and > > > > people here go > > > > crazy about it. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Yes the problem with us Muslims is that many of us are very > > > > emotionally attached⦠so weird. Iâm over-defensive but not > > > > obsessively so. My > > > > arguments are also entirely emotional and not factual which is really > > > > retarded. > > > > > > > > A: As long as you respect different people I have no problem with > > > > anything you > > > > choose to believe in. This level of respect and tolerance isnât found > > > > with ease > > > > in our societies. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: A lot of Muslims all over the Muslim world would literally kill > > > > anyone who disagrees and then they expect progress. In my opinion this > > > > isnât > > > > really Islam. By the way, what do you think about Koranic (real) Islam > > > > and > > > > political Islam? > > > > > > > > A: No offense but the fact that there are so many types of Islam only > > > > proves > > > > that itâs not a real religion but rather one created simply for the > > > > sake of > > > > social control. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Itâs actually very hard to disagree with that when you consider > > > > countries like Iran, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, et al, where > > > > socio-political instability is being justified as âthis is what Islam > > > > wants.â > > > > > > > > A: Itâs a very sad case. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Seriously I donât get that. There are so many things here being > > > > constantly dismissed when religious leaders convince people that this > > > > is the > > > > Islam that they were born and raised to follow. If they dislike > > > > anything about > > > > you, what youâre wearing, or what your opinions are, they immediately > > > > blame you > > > > for being an infidel. And donât even get me started on justifications > > > > of rape. > > > > > > > > A: I know, itâs like I can see your hair and Iâm very tempted to > > > > rape you. > > > > Islam gives me that right, it told you to wear a hijab and you > > > > didnât! Now I > > > > can rape you and Allah will understand. Heh. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Actually, this is an existing mentality. You find this argument > > > > all over. Is it really our fault when men claim they canât control > > > > their raging > > > > desires to have sex with any woman who shows her face or hell, even > > > > HANDS? > > > > > > > > A: My girlfriend is Japanese and she tells me that this same idea > > > > exists in > > > > their culture too, which is also very male dominant. Of course this is > > > > with > > > > Geishas, not with hijab. As you know Geishas paint their faces white, > > > > and if a > > > > man sees a trace of her real skin color, this is considered very > > > > tempting! I > > > > was surprised when she told me. Whenever we discuss these things itâs > > > > really > > > > amazing how many similarities we have. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Which goes to show how culture and society arenât entirely > > > > representative of religion. > > > > > > > > A: The problem with us is that censorship created a different culture. > > > > Even if > > > > the government gives you rights to practice any religion freely you > > > > will still > > > > find trouble fitting in especially if youâre an insider. Like I said > > > > with me > > > > being an Arab, I feel like I lost 99% of my identity because Iâm not > > > > Muslim. I > > > > know the situation is different in Lebanon and Jordan where non-Muslim > > > > Arabs > > > > are accepted but with me in the Gulf itâs really different. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Yes Bahrain is the same way. There are many atheists and > > > > agnostics here, in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait, and the Iranians I meet are > > > > almost > > > > never attached to religion. Many do describe themselves as atheists too > > > > as they > > > > are strongly against all forms of religion especially if itâs > > > > enforced upon > > > > them. This is what drives people away from Islam â" nobody likes to be > > > > forced > > > > to believe anything. > > > > > > > > A: You will be surprised as to how many people are like me here and > > > > feel the > > > > way I do but donât feel comfortable enough sharing these ideas. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: And you share them quite comfortably, you even quickly agreed to > > > > do this interview, why? > > > > > > > > A: To show everyone that Arabs arenât really what most people say we > > > > are > > > > especially with regards to our youth. Atheism, converts, apostasy, > > > > these are > > > > all considered big taboos thatâs why we donât talk about it. People > > > > fail to > > > > understand us and who we really are when we fail to discuss these things > > > > publicly and securely. Everyone thinks weâre so oppressed and that we > > > > easily > > > > fall for religion or that we are comfortable with our societal and > > > > cultural > > > > restrictions, but we are so diverse here. Arabs should never be defined > > > > as > > > > Muslims. Weâre all different and fellow Arabs need to learn how to > > > > respect this > > > > difference instead of trying to make everyone else think the way they > > > > do. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Do you find Islam to be a problem that leads to our societal > > > > restrictions? > > > > > > > > A: Well, a lot of religious Muslims are decent and understand the > > > > importance of > > > > living in a free and tolerant society. I know that Islam is not our > > > > problem. > > > > Politics is our weakness and Islam is just an excuse that many of our > > > > governments successfully get away with. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Finally, do you consider yourself typical, as in an average young > > > > Arab with these types of views? > > > > > > > > A: Iâm average in every other way except maybe mentally. Well, kind > > > > of. A lot > > > > of young Arabs like me donât follow the path of Islam. We only think > > > > itâs not > > > > average because people donât talk about it, but itâs so average. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: By âdonât follow the path of Islamâ you mean they drink > > > > alcohol, > > > > eat pork, have premarital sex, and do the opposite of what the Koran > > > > asks for > > > > right? > > > > > > > > A: Haha yes. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Hey Iâm Bahraini, trust me I know what you mean. > > > > > > > > A: Itâs ironic isnât it? > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: I would say hypocritical, but only if these people still claim to > > > > be Muslims⦠which many do. But if you do all that without subscribing > > > > to this > > > > religion then why not? Go ahead. And agreeing with you, this lifestyle > > > > shouldnât make anyone less of an Arab. It shouldnât have anything > > > > to do with > > > > being an Arab. > > > > > > > > A: I actually refuse to drink, have sex before marriage, or eat pork, > > > > even if I > > > > am not a Muslim anymore. I think it is part of me growing up. But these > > > > are > > > > decisions that I personally made and am very comfortable with. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Q: Okay Adel, itâs been great talking to you as usual. Thanks for > > > > this interview. > > > > > > > > A: Youâre welcome. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Bahaâi, & Karl Marx can be compared > > > > because of they teach love & justice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is different wih Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, > > > > MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, > > > > DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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