Jasiii ............ sudh berapa rumah yang kau bakar !?
--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Hehehe.... yg nyuruh ngebakar rumah itu kan nabi lu. > > Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626: > Narrated Abu Huraira: > >The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the > >Fajr > >and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers > >at > >their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in > >the > >mosques) even if they had to c awl."The Prophet added, "Certainly I > >decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and > >order > >a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those > >who > >had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their > >houses." > > > > > > > > > >Jadi lu anggap ngebakar rumah itu adlaah perbuatan bejad? Kalo gitu, nabi lu > >itu > >bejad, bukan? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:00:34 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > ngebakar rumah orangpun buat kanu apa salahnya bukan ? > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin merkosa, > > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada kok yg > > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh kedaluwarsa, > > ketimbang menuhin lemari. > > > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga mahal. Satu Al > > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos siap pakai. > > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi kompos. > > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu komopos? Utk > > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, kecuali kamu ikut > > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, KATEBE, hampir > > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di stok either > > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa. > > > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. Sekalian mainan > > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga bahagia? > > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya dibakar, > > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan tetangga > > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an? > > > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. Biasanya yg > > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus. mBakarin Bibel? Wekekekek.., sayang. > > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik? > > > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an 'mangnya > > ajaran Yesus apa iblis? > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, itu cuma > > ngerusak > > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat dr pohon. > > > > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake kertasnya > > buat > > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran dibuang ke dlm > > tempat > > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos. > > > > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang? > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\ > > mccarthy > > > > > > > > > More On Koran Burning > > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M. > > > By Andrew C. McCarthy > > > Jonah, my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it is > > > counterproductive. I hear what youâââ‰â¢re saying about > > > decency. But > > on that score, > > > I donâââ‰â¢t find the burning any more offensive in principle > > > than I > > do its opposite > > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the Koran is handled > > by the > > > Defense Department. > > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to each of the > > terrorists > > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without reason) to > > command them to > > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore our precious > > sensitivity to > > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be handled only > > by Muslim > > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not possible for > > various > > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our non-Muslim troops must > > handle or > > > transport the book, he must wear white gloves, and he is further > > instructed > > > primarily to use the right hand (indulging Muslim > > > cultureâââ‰â¢s > > taboo about the > > > sinister left hand). The book is to be conveyed to the prisoners in a > > ââ∠"reverent > > > mannerâââ¬ï¿½ inside a ââ∠"clean dry > > > towel.âââ¬ï¿½ This is a > > nod to Islamic teaching that > > > infidels are so low a form of life that they should not be touched > > (as > > > Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, non-Muslims are ââ∠"considered > > > in > > the same > > > category as urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, > > alcoholic > > > liquors,âââ¬ï¿½ and ââ∠"the sweat of an animal who > > > persistently > > eats [unclean things].âââ¬ï¿½ > > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, implicitly > > endorsing as it > > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads to terrorism. > > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense Department > > now piously > > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense Department that itself > > did not > > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in > > Afghanistan. > > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in deference to > > sharia > > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than Islam. And > > as > > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not the only one > > destroying > > > bibles. Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, are torched > > or > > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day as a matter > > of > > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on Saudi > > government > > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing bibles, > > crucifixes, > > > Stars of David, etc., into the country âââ¬" and, of course, not > > just non-Muslim > > > accessories but non-Muslim people are barred from entering Mecca and > > most of > > > Medina, based on the classical interpretation of an injunction found > > in what > > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy Qurâââ‰â¢an (sura 9:28: > > ââ∠"Truly the pagans are > > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred > > mosqueâââ¬ï¿½). > > > I donâââ‰â¢t like book burning either, but I think there are > > different kinds of book > > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship âââ¬" the attempt > > to purge the > > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the sentiments > > expressed never > > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge University > > > Pressâââ‰â¢s > > shameful pulping > > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see Stanleyâââ‰â¢s > > > 2007 post > > on that). The > > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation. > > > Thatâââ‰â¢s > > what I think > > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he doesnâââ‰â¢t have the > > > ability to > > purge the Koran > > > from the world, and he wasnâââ‰â¢t trying to. He was trying > > > to > > condemn some of the > > > ideas that are in it âââ¬" or maybe he really thinks the whole > > thing is > > > condemnable. > > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express disdain, > > but I donâââ‰â¢t > > > know that it is much different in principle from orally condemning > > some of the > > > Koranâââ‰â¢s suras and verses. Sura 9 of the Koran, for > > > example, > > states the > > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to kill and conquer > > non-Muslims > > > (e.g., 9:5: ââ∠"But when the forbidden months are past, then > > fight and slay the > > > pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie > > in wait > > > for them in every stratagem (of war) . . .âââ¬ï¿½; 9:29: > > ââ∠"Fight those who believe not > > > in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden which hath been > > forbidden by > > > Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from > > among the > > > people of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until they pay > > the jizya > > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis under the > > protection > > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel themselves > > subduedâââ¬ï¿½). I > > > must say, Iâââ‰â¢ve got a much bigger problem with the people > > trying to comply with > > > those commands than with the guy who burns them. > > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the gratuitous insult > > to all > > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the violent > > jihadist or > > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They have found > > some way to > > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures âââ¬" and if it works for > > them, who the hell > > > am I to say theyâââ‰â¢re wrong? They are our natural allies > > > in this > > battle, and as > > > Iâââ‰â¢ve often pointed out, without their help, we could > > > not have > > done things like > > > infiltrate the Blind Sheikhâââ‰â¢s terror cell, gather vital > > intelligence, thwart > > > terrorist attacks, and refine trial evidence into compelling proof. > > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of their > > scriptures. When > > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale > > condemnation, > > > the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible. > > Freedom of > > > speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and > > Iâââ‰â¢m not > > > entirely sure itâââ‰â¢s wrong. But good Muslim people give us > > reason to hope that > > > what ails Islam can be reformed. I donâââ‰â¢t see the upside > > > in > > alienating those > > > people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran > > without > > > condemning everything. But thatâââ‰â¢s just my opinion, and > > > Mr. > > Jones is as entitled > > > to his as I am to mine. And for what itâââ‰â¢s worth, I > > > doubt my > > opinion would be > > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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