FPI itu apa bukannya sodara seiman lu yg hrs lu bela? Lu kan bisa nanya langsung ke FPI, emangnya lu cuma hidup di internet doang?
________________________________ From: Abbas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 11:14:02 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning Disini emang ada FPI ? Yang ada kam cuman item abu --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Jangan bandingin gua dgn orang Islam yg ngejalanin sunnah nabi dgn ngebakar > rumah atau tempat ibadah. > > Kenapa lu ga pernah nanya ke FPI misalnya berapa rumah atau tempat ibadah yg > udah mereka bakar? Pasti FPI itu favorit lu kan. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 11:32:55 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > Jasiii ............ sudh berapa rumah yang kau bakar !? > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Hehehe.... yg nyuruh ngebakar rumah itu kan nabi lu. > > > > Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626: > > Narrated Abu Huraira: > > >The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the >Fajr > > > > >and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers >at > > > > >their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in >the > > > > >mosques) even if they had to c awl."The Prophet added, "Certainly I > > >decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and > >order > > > > >a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all > > >those > >who > > > > >had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their > >houses." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jadi lu anggap ngebakar rumah itu adlaah perbuatan bejad? Kalo gitu, nabi > > >lu > > >itu > > > > >bejad, bukan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:00:34 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > ngebakar rumah orangpun buat kanu apa salahnya bukan ? > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin merkosa, > > > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > > > > > > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada kok yg > > > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh kedaluwarsa, > > > ketimbang menuhin lemari. > > > > > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga mahal. Satu Al > > > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos siap pakai. > > > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi kompos. > > > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu komopos? Utk > > > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, kecuali kamu ikut > > > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, KATEBE, hampir > > > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di stok either > > > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa. > > > > > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. Sekalian mainan > > > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga bahagia? > > > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya dibakar, > > > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan tetangga > > > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an? > > > > > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. Biasanya yg > > > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus. mBakarin Bibel? Wekekekek.., sayang. > > > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik? > > > > > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an 'mangnya > > > ajaran Yesus apa iblis? > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, itu cuma > > > ngerusak > > > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat dr pohon. > > > > > > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake kertasnya > > > buat > > > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran dibuang ke dlm > > > tempat > > > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos. > > > > > > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\ > > > mccarthy > > > > > > > > > > > > More On Koran Burning > > > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M. > > > > By Andrew C. McCarthy > > > > Jonah, my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it is > > > > counterproductive. I hear what >youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢re saying about > > >decency. But > > > on that score, > > > > I donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t find the burning any more >offensive in principle > > >than I > > > do its opposite > > > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the Koran is handled > > > by the > > > > Defense Department. > > > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to each of the > > > terrorists > > > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without reason) to > > > command them to > > > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore our precious > > > sensitivity to > > > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be handled only > > > by Muslim > > > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not possible for > > > various > > > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our non-Muslim troops must > > > handle or > > > > transport the book, he must wear white gloves, and he is further > > > instructed > > > > primarily to use the right hand (indulging Muslim > >cultureÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s > > > taboo about the > > > > sinister left hand). The book is to be conveyed to the prisoners in a > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"reverent > > > > mannerÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ inside a >ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"clean dry > > >towel.ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ This is a > > > nod to Islamic teaching that > > > > infidels are so low a form of life that they should not be touched > > > (as > > > > Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, non-Muslims are >ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"considered > > >in > > > the same > > > > category as urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, > > > alcoholic > > > > liquors,ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ and >ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"the sweat of an animal who > > >persistently > > > eats [unclean things].ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ > > > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, implicitly > > > endorsing as it > > > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads to terrorism. > > > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense Department > > > now piously > > > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense Department that itself > > > did not > > > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in > > > Afghanistan. > > > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in deference to > > > sharia > > > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than Islam. And > > > as > > > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not the only one > > > destroying > > > > bibles. Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, are torched > > > or > > > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day as a matter > > > of > > > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on Saudi > > > government > > > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing bibles, > > > crucifixes, > > > > Stars of David, etc., into the country ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" and, > > > > of >course, not > > > just non-Muslim > > > > accessories but non-Muslim people are barred from entering Mecca and > > > most of > > > > Medina, based on the classical interpretation of an injunction found > > > in what > > > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy >QurÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢an (sura 9:28: > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"Truly the pagans are > > > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred > > > mosqueÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½). > > > > I donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t like book burning either, >but I think there are > > > different kinds of book > > > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship > > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" >the attempt > > > > to purge the > > > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the sentiments > > > expressed never > > > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge University > >PressÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s > > > shameful pulping > > > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see >StanleyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s 2007 > > >post > > > on that). The > > > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation. > >ThatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s > > > what I think > > > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he >doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t have the > > >ability to > > > purge the Koran > > > > from the world, and he wasnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t > > > > trying >to. He was trying > > to > > > condemn some of the > > > > ideas that are in it ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" or maybe he really > > > > thinks >the whole > > > thing is > > > > condemnable. > > > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express disdain, > > > but I donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t > > > > know that it is much different in principle from orally condemning > > > some of the > > > > KoranÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s suras and verses. Sura 9 > > > > of >the Koran, for > > >example, > > > states the > > > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to kill and conquer > > > non-Muslims > > > > (e.g., 9:5: ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"But when the forbidden months >are past, then > > > fight and slay the > > > > pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie > > > in wait > > > > for them in every stratagem (of war) . . >.ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½; 9:29: > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"Fight those who believe not > > > > in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden which hath been > > > forbidden by > > > > Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from > > > among the > > > > people of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until they pay > > > the jizya > > > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis under the > > > protection > > > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel themselves > > > subduedÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½). I > > > > must say, IÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ve got a much bigger >problem with the people > > > trying to comply with > > > > those commands than with the guy who burns them. > > > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the gratuitous insult > > > to all > > > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the violent > > > jihadist or > > > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They have found > > > some way to > > > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" and if > > > > it >works for > > > them, who the hell > > > > am I to say theyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢re wrong? They > > > > are >our natural allies in > > >this > > > battle, and as > > > > IÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ve often pointed out, without >their help, we could not > > >have > > > done things like > > > > infiltrate the Blind SheikhÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s >terror cell, gather vital > > > intelligence, thwart > > > > terrorist attacks, and refine trial evidence into compelling proof. > > > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of their > > > scriptures. When > > > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale > > > condemnation, > > > > the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible. > > > Freedom of > > > > speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and > > > IÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢m not > > > > entirely sure itÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s wrong. But good > > > > >Muslim people give us > > > reason to hope that > > > > what ails Islam can be reformed. I >donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t see the upside > > >in > > > alienating those > > > > people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran > > > without > > > > condemning everything. But thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s >just my opinion, and > > >Mr. > > > Jones is as entitled > > > > to his as I am to mine. And for what >itÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s worth, I doubt > > >my > > > opinion would be > > > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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