Emangnya, kalo banyak pengikutnya, lalu agamanya benar? Tolol amat sih lu ini.
Kalo emang Islam itu agama yg benar, kenapa orang murtad hrs dibunuh nurut Islam? >________________________________ >From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 9:48 AM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising > > > >Dan Islam dri awal sudah mau dilenyapkan darimuka bumi. >Entah kenapa dari satu bisa menjadi milyaran !!!!!! > >--- On Sun, 4/9/11, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >From: item abu <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Received: Sunday, 4 September, 2011, 10:06 PM > > > >> ''Islam has contributed so much to the democratisation of Indonesia. > >This must be emphasised,'' says Ulil, the founder of the Liberal Islam > >Network and himself a target of Indonesian terrorists. > >Hehehe... biasa, orang Islam ngibul gede2an. Apa kontribusi Islam atas >demokratisasi Indonesia? Minus, krn Islam udah nindas agama lain selama >puluhan thn. > >>________________________________ > >>From: Sunny <[email protected]> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:45 PM > >>Subject: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising > >> > >> > >> > >>http://www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-cornered-but-intolerance-rising-20110904-1jsdb.html > >>Jihad cornered but intolerance rising > >>September 5, 2011 > >> > >>Changing face of Islam in Indonesia ... Muslims gather for Friday prayers at >>Istiqlal mosque in Jakarta, one of the largest in south-east Asia. Photo: >>Irwin Fedriansyah > >> > >>Authorities are placating extremists, writes Tom Allard in Indonesia. > >> > >>Ulil Abshar Abdalla is one of Indonesia's most perceptive intellectuals, a >>Harvard-educated Islamic reformer and an adviser to the President, Susilo >>Bambang Yudhoyono. > >> > >>When asked what has happened to Islam in Indonesia since the September 11 >>attacks, he says: ''I think there has been a trend towards intolerance … >>there is also a trend towards tolerance.'' > >> > >>It's an odd response, but it captures succinctly the vexing paradox that lies >>within Australia's near neighbour and the nation with the world's largest >>Muslim population. > >> > >>Erik de Hart consoles Bill McNeil after losing many of their Coogee Dolphins >>teammates in the bombings. Photo: Dallas Kilponen > >> > >>After emerging as the fulcrum of the global jihadist movement in south-east >>Asia in 2002 when the twin nightclub bombings in Bali killed and maimed >>hundreds, Indonesia can rightly point to impressive counter-terrorism >>successes. > >> > >>Hundreds have been arrested and dozens of plots have been foiled. The radical >>cleric Abu Bakar Bashir has been handed a long prison term while almost every >>other terrorist leader of note has either been killed or arrested. > >> > >>A tiny minority remains inspired by al-Qaeda and poses an enduring threat but >>the campaign to spread the ideology of offensive jihad against Western >>infidels and their lackeys to achieve an Islamic caliphate has been >>comprehensively rejected. > >> > >>''Islam has contributed so much to the democratisation of Indonesia. This >>must be emphasised,'' says Ulil, the founder of the Liberal Islam Network and >>himself a target of Indonesian terrorists. > >> > >>''Most Muslims here understand that religion is a system of morality, an >>ethical system, and that politics is not part of the essential teaching of >>religion. > >> > >>''The popularity of this proposal of the adoption of sharia in our national >>law is withering away, it's fading.'' > >> > >>Indonesia's Islamic parties were rebuffed at the polls in 2009, and its most >>potent Islamist political force, the Prosperous Justice Party, recently >>formally adopted pluralism as a core principle in its platform. > >> > >>But while Indonesian authorities remain vigilant in pursuing terrorists, they >>seem incapable and, worse, unwilling to address another, arguably more >>pernicious form of religious radicalism. > >> > >>Rather than explosives, these mobs of militants will use machetes, stones or >>tins of petrol to attack perceived deviants and destroy houses of worship. > >> > >>The increase in violence has been particularly pronounced against members of >>the Ahmadiyah Islamic sect, whose followers believe the Indian religious >>figure Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a messiah who followed the Prophet Muhammad. > >> > >>In the western Javanese province of Banten, a frenzied mob attacked an >>Ahmadiyah house and killed three men in February. The 12 accused, including a >>teenager caught on film bludgeoning a man to death with a stone, got >>sentences ranging between three and six months. > >> > >>The light sentences, some argue, reflected local factors. The verdict was >>handed down by judges in a district court in one of Indonesia's traditional >>hardline Islamic heartlands. About 2000 locals voiced support for the accused >>and intimidated the judges and prosecutors throughout the trial. > >> > >>But the argument that the case is an anomaly is hard to square against the >>increase in communal violence, invariably attacks by Islamic fundamentalists >>on Ahmadis and Christians. > >> > >>Recent research by the Pew Research Centre found Indonesia was one of two >>countries that had recorded significant increases in both religious >>restrictions and incidents of social hostilities in the past five years. > >> > >>Harder still to reconcile with the notion that Indonesia remains abidingly >>tolerant is the tepid response from Indonesia's political elites to the rise >>in religious violence and, in particular, the attacks and court proceedings >>in Banten. > >> > >>President Yudhoyono failed to condemn the verdicts, citing the need to >>respect the rule of law. > >> > >>If Islamists are failing to make any political inroads, and Indonesian >>Muslims are overwhelmingly moderate, why does Indonesia's political class >>refuse to speak clearly and loudly for the country's secular constitution >>that recognises freedom of religion? Could it be they have made a political >>calculation that attacks on minorities are popular? > >> > >>''It's because conservatives are very clever in framing the debate in black >>and white terms,'' argues Yenny Wahid, the daughter of Indonesia's former >>president and moderate Islamic cleric Abdurrahman Wahid and a rare, >>uncompromising voice for tolerance. > >> > >>''For example, if you condemn attacks on Ahmadiyah, then you are not a good >>follower of the Prophet Muhammad. So politicians are afraid to speak out >>because they don't want to appear un-Islamic.'' > >> > >>Wahid says a steady influx of money from the Middle East to fund mosques and >>schools has had an impact. > >> > >>The new breed of conservative clerics are not only cashed up, she says, they >>are passionate, noisy and activist. > >> > >>When Yudhoyono speaks about maintaining harmony, he sometimes talks about the >>need to placate militants, rather than defending diversity. > >> > >>Asked about perceptions by the American interviewer Charlie Rose that the >>Indonesian state was weak in protecting religious minorities, Yudhoyono >>replied: ''Of course, I have to maintain the climate of brotherhood here in >>Indonesia, because the majority of the population are Muslim, so I try to >>maintain their feelings.'' > >> > >>Wahid counters that ''this policy of appeasement won't work''. ''In the >>short-term, it may create a measure of stability that the government needs,'' >>she says. ''But it gives [conservatives] too much power. The greater good is >>sacrificed. We have to worry about where this will lead us in the future.'' > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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