Semua orang juga tahu bahwa lu gak bakalan bisa ngapa-ngapain. Masalahnya lu yang kaing-kaing sendiri tentang anggota DPR, tapi kagak berani protes langsung. Data-data pribadi tidak diperlukan untuk milis ini, itu sebabnya tidak diberikan. Belum lama ini gua mengisi data lengkap untuk ikatan alumni gua tanpa ada masalah, jadi siapa dulu yang perlu datanya.
Kepercayaan itu dua arah, kalau lu yang bersembunyi dibalik alias mau minta data-data pribadi orang, ya jangan harap dapat. Padahal kalau gua lihat johny sendiri tidak menyembunyikan tempat dia bekerja. Masalahnya lu bisa cari tahu apa kagak? Makanya gua bilang juga lu usaha untuk belajar, bukannya mau minta disuapin aja. --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Apa yg salah di omongan gua? > > Adalah fakta bhw gua ga akan ngapa2in si johny_indon atau Teddy biarpun gua > tau alamat mereka. > > Dan jg adalah fakta bhw ada banyak orang yg mau ngebunuh gua, tp gua masih > hidup yg berarti auloh lu itu ga berkehendak unt nurunin azab, atau kalo > berkehendak auloh ga berani ngelawan anjing gua yg ngejaga rumah. > > Teddy yg dijilatin pantatnya oleh johny_indon itu kaing2 bhw gua pengecut krn > ga berani melakukan sesuatu yg bisa membahayakan gua dan keluarga gua, jadi > gua balikin ocehan mereka itu ke mereka. Ternyata mereka ga berani unt ngasih > tau alamat mereka krn takut diganggu, yg berarti nurut standard yg mereka > buat sendiri, mereka itu pengecut. > > Lu boleh aja bilang gua pengecut dll, faktanya adalah gua nantang auloh lu, > dan auloh lu itu yg ga berani ngejawab tantangan gua. Nurut lu, nantang auloh > itu perbuatan pengecut apa kagak? > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:23 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > > > >Elo gak malu tuh; ngomong kaya begitu ke orang lain ? > >Tapi memang dasarnya orng anti Islam itu SELURUHNYA Pengecut dan tak tahu > >malu ! Elo pake nama PALSU ! How in the world, kamu berani ngomong seperti > >itu ke orang lain !? > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Lu ngasih tau nama dan alamat lu aja ga berani koq, padahal ga bakal ada > >> yg ngambil tindakan ke lu. > >> > >> Sebaliknya, hehehe... ga tau ada berapa orang yg bilang mau ngebunuh gua, > >> tp kayaknya si auloh kagak berkehendak tuh, atau si auloh kagak berani > >> ngelawan anjing gua shg ga bisa ngebunuh gua. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________ > >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:04 PM > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > >> >katanya, tidak peduli..) > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> > > >> > > >> >di sini banyak orang nasrani yg pake nama asli, david silalahi, > >> >suryana, dll., mereka mau ngomong apa aja tetep aman tuh hidup > >> >di indonesia. > >> >apalagi si david salah lahir itu gua udah tau tampang blo'onnya kayak apa. > >> >kenapa mesti ati2 segala? > >> > > >> >nah si bleki petantang petenteng nantang orang lain nyebutin > >> >identitas pribadi tapi dia sendiri ngga berani nyebutin > >> >identitas sendiri, mesti disebut apa kalo bukan pengecut sejati? > >> > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Agar jelas: orang Nasrani yang berhati-hati tapi terus berusaha > >> >>mempertahankan haknya bukan orang Nasrani yang pengecut.. > >> >> > >> >> Yang pengecut itu adalah oportunis bertabit nista lagi menjijikkan > >> >> seperti anda yang berdiam diri dihadapan penindasan orang Islam > >> >> terhadap minoritas dan dihadapan ketidak adilan di Indonesia. > >> >> > >> >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Kalau sebelumnya itu baru berupa tuduhan, sekarang sudah terbukti > >> >> > berdasarkan hasil pengakuannya sendiri. Kurang jelas apa lagi? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Persis kayak Roman Proteus yang sedeng: item abu, katanya, adalah > >> >> > > pengecut... > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Makin jelas bahwa memang banyak persamaan antara Teddy ini dengan > >> >> > > orang Islam disini... > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Pengecut!!! (ala film-film Amerika dengan diiringi nada-nada dari > >> >> > > > lagu kebangsaan Perancis, La Marseillaise). > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hehehe ... gua sih ga heran kalo si Teddy bisa galak dan buas > >> >> > > > > kalo ngebela kepentingannya sendiri. Anjing jg bisa galak kalo > >> >> > > > > tulangnya mau diambil anjing lain. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Tp si Teddy ini lebih rendah dr anjing krn ga tau malu padahal > >> >> > > > > anjing itu mash tahu malu. > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >________________________________ > >> >> > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> >> > > > > >To: [email protected] > >> >> > > > > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00 AM > >> >> > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy > >> >> > > > > >bangsat itu, katanya, tidak peduli..) > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >Ãâà> >> >> > > > > >Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama > >> >> > > > > >sia-sianya dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat > >> >> > > > > >saya dulu berurusan dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, > >> >> > > > > >rombongan tersebut saya kejar hingga ke markas mereka di > >> >> > > > > >Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala rombongan mereka, saya > >> >> > > > > >jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan maaf dengan > >> >> > > > > >memberikan nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala rombongan > >> >> > > > > >berjanji untuk mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang > >> >> > > > > >langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat terkait. Protege anda ini luar > >> >> > > > > >biasa pengecutnya. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi > >> >> > > > > >saya melebihi semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya > >> >> > > > > >saya lebih menghendaki sistem perpajakan seperti di AS berlaku > >> >> > > > > >di Australia di mana potongan pajak jauh lebih rendah. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang > >> >> > > > > >ongkang-ongkang kaki tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang > >> >> > > > > >pajak orang banyak. > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> >> > > > > ><bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan > >> >> > > > > >> item abu itu artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan > >> >> > > > > >> yang dilakukan bedebah itu. > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun > >> >> > > > > >> 1972 hingga Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping > >> >> > > > > >> mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah > >> >> > > > > >> orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda yang ikut mendukung > >> >> > > > > >> usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang > >> >> > > > > >> menikmati jaminan sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai > >> >> > > > > >> seperti anda yagn adalah manusia oportunis yang bertabiat > >> >> > > > > >> busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > Ha ha ha. > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala > >> >> > > > > >> > sendiri ke tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan > >> >> > > > > >> > besar yang telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil > >> >> > > > > >> > "perjuangan" anda selama ini? > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih > >> >> > > > > >> > menyumbang orang lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang > >> >> > > > > >> > menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang sebagiannya enak-enak > >> >> > > > > >> > berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang ini pantas > >> >> > > > > >> > menerima santunan? > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> >> > > > > >> > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang > >> >> > > > > >> > > memenuhi undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > Ini satu. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi > >> >> > > > > >> > > menjijikkan karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > punya jaminan sosial dan jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, > >> >> > > > > >> > > hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli akan kesenjangan > >> >> > > > > >> > > sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan anda > >> >> > > > > >> > > tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para > >> >> > > > > >> > > bedebah yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari > >> >> > > > > >> > > merek menghina korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat > >> >> > > > > >> > > dengan petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah hasil > >> >> > > > > >> > > jarahannya. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, > >> >> > > > > >> > > nista lagi menjijikkan. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > >> >> > > > > >> > > wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > kebanggan anda tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > sendiri pada tetangga yang tinggal di depan rumahnya. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang merupakan feedback > >> >> > > > > >> > > > langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin bisa > >> >> > > > > >> > > > memberikan perubahan. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > karena mereka tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau > >> >> > > > > >> > > > mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda sendiri. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > saya dan ibu saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung > >> >> > > > > >> > > > hingga dengan sen-sen yang dikeluarkan, maka > >> >> > > > > >> > > > kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih banyak daripada > >> >> > > > > >> > > > nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak gratis > >> >> > > > > >> > > > dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar > >> >> > > > > >> > > > penuh. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> >> > > > > >> > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > lagi menjijikkan. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > khasanah negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > dedel duwel lalu menghina korban jarahannnya yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > dimelaratkannnya sembari petatang petiting pamer > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > aduhai di Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > yang seperti item abu peduli terhadap kesenjangan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > sosial. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > yang dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > hakekatnya berpihak kepada pejabat penjahat itu. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > peduli. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Asyik... > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > di Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer hasil > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > jarahan mereka... > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > dengan mobil mewah... > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > mewah di mana lu punya definisi sendiri untuk > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > yang namanya mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > harganya relatif mahal, maka itu pastilah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > lu recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi standar > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > seperti yang disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > pejabat untuk punya mobil apapun juga. Gua > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > sih sama sekali tidak peduli karena bukan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > urusan gua. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dan nambah dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya sendiri, lalu si Teddy ngoceh > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia make > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duitnya sendiri > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang adalah si > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya, tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw mulutnya adalah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg bilang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > maka ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > gading. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil mewah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil-mobil mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Peduli amat dengan orang-orang yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >memilikinya, karena itu urusan pribadi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >duitnya bukan dari lu. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ><itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> mewah. Dasar mulut lobang taik lu ini. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >mobil mewah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >kesulitan menterjemahkan: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> "merek eksotis" yang juga melebihi US > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dalam kemewahan high-end / ukuran > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> penuh kategori mewah. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> tidak mau langsung mengaku dan orang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> yang berotak busuk, nista lagi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> menjijikan adalah orang yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dan hanya mementingkan glorifikasi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> pribadi sendiri. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mewah di mana unsur HARGA bukanlah > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> merk sebuah mobil sport. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> anda akan mampu merubah definisi yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mau meralat dan memasukan Ferrari > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dalam klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> tantang anda untuk melakukan hal itu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> apakah mereka punya mata atau cuma > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> baso doang. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In [email protected], > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > begitu jelas dungunya, referensi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Teddy yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan ini > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > tentang mobil mewah: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mobil > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > relatif mahal. " > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yang merasa dirinya demikian > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pintar dan rajin menggugel dalam > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan definisinya sendiri atas > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "mobil-mobil mewah". > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > waktu, jadi bolehlah sedikit > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berbelas kasihan meluangkan waktu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > untuk membantu membuka mata. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for a vehicle that provides luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì" > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > beyond strict > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì"at > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased expense (see: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definition of luxury). The term > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suggests a vehicle with greater > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment, performance, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > construction precision, comfort, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > design ingenuity, technological > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > innovation, or features that > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > convey brand image, cachet, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigeÃÆ'Ã'ÃââÃÆ'ââââ¬à ¡Ãâì"or > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > any other discretionary feature > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or combination of features. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment[clarification needed] or > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > small-luxury class is relatively > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > several European brands in the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-2000s, and constitute the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > least expensive offerings in their > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineups. These cars are targeted > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > at a niche market of young > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > customers who have a more refined > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > taste in their automobiles and the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > means to pay for them.[citation > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] By offering a smaller, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lighter, more fuel-efficient, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > less expensive vehicle, this > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > serves to introduce a younger > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > customer to the luxury marque, in > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hopes of retaining the coveted > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > customer loyalty.[citation needed] > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > components with mass market cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from the marque's parent company > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (the A3), and/or have less > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to upmarket vehicles in the lineup > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (such as the B-Class). The body > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > style tends to be a hatchback or > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact wagon, previously > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > associated with economy cars but > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > regaining popularity in the United > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States for its afforded utility. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The luxury branding and style, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-quality interior materials, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wide range of convenience > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powertrains are key to > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > distinguishing them from mass > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market equivalents (one mistake > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > made by the Cadillac Cimarron) and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > making these appeal to consumers. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > instance Consumer Guide Automotive > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the US considers the Audi A3 > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and A4 as part of the premium > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact segment due to similar > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > size and MSRP, though these are > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > known in Europe as a small family > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > car and a compact executive car, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also known as the compact > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car in Britain and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US, this segment mostly includes > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the bottom vehicles in the line-up > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of luxury brands as well as the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > top-of-the-line models of some > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury brands. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars are smaller than > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size/large family cars, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact cars. Mass market compact > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars typically use the economical > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front wheel drive transverse > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, well suited to the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > inline-4 engine, which also > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maximizes interior room. Several > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars are > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines, for improved stability > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and handling, and in order to > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (straight-6, V6, rarely V8), with > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > four-wheel drive often being > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > available. Compact executive cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also tend have more complicated > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > independent suspensions, sportier > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transmissions, and high revolution > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines that may require premium > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > gasoline. The more complex > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powertrain and mechanical layouts > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of compact executive cars comes at > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased cost and reduced > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior passenger and trunk space. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Lexus IS, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class which > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > handling. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ES, Acura TL, Chrysler 300, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Buick LaCrosse are also considered > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > entry-level luxury in the United > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States and Canada, being similar > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in price to the BMW 3 Series and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class. However, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Europe and do not fall > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > under European luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > classifications. The ES and TL > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > actually began as badge engineered > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > versions of the midsize Toyota > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Camry and Honda Accord, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively, retaining the front > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wheel drive transverse engine > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layout, whereas Toyota's current > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lexus IS does not share a platform > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with mass market Toyota cars. The > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ES and TL are not considered > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars either, despite > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar dimensions, since > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars usually emphasize > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher performance, often being > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines. The present iterations of > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the ES and LaCrosse emphasize > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "comfortable, reasonably priced > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury", while the TL has recently > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > been > >> targeted at > >> >> > > > > the entry-level > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has been very competitive, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > there has been price-overlapping > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with well-equipped non-luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The bestselling vehicles of > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars, such as the BMW 3 > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series that makes up 40% of the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > commonly referred to as executive > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars in Britain, Obere > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Grandes > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâères > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in French. Examples include the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > XF > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to mid-size cars and large family > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, executive cars are > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered and positioned as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium vehicles with better > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance and technology > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > development and production costs, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as many well-known mid-luxury cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > use the longitudinal (usually > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front engine rear wheel drive > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layout) engine mounting which > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > affords space for powerful engines > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > such as a V8, instead of the more > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical transverse engine > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layout of mass market cars which > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are restricted to inline-4 or V6. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Executive cars usually have lower > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sales and production volumes > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compared to mid-size cars and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large family cars, as base trims > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with less equipment and smaller > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines are not sold in U.S. and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Canadian markets. Also due to the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > problem of steep depreciation, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > especially concerning cars from > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > less prestigious brands, most > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are produced by > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marques that specialize in > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger/more > >> expensive > >> >> > > > > vehicles. Particularly in > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> segment is dominated by Mercedes-Benz and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> BMW, as executive cars from lesser-known > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> manufacturers such as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'Ã'Ãâ 'ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâën > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> and Infiniti have not had much success. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the mid-range models of several > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury car manufacturers. There > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are also some flagship sedans in > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this segment, such as the Acura RL > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Infiniti M. Executive cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > such as the BMW 5 Series are > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > crucial to a luxury automaker's > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bottom line, and although not the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > highest-selling model, they > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > generate a significant amount of > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > profits due to the lucrative > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technology options. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, grand saloons, or premium > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large cars, while "Oberklasse" is > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > used in Germany. Many of these are > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque's showcases for the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > newest automotive technology. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several nameplates also offer > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long-wheelbase versions that offer > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > additional rear legroom and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. Full-size luxury cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Canada and the U.S. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > typically have mid-displacement V8 > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines, though recently some > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marques have offered six cylinder > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > success. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some of the models from the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship lines of luxury car > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > DTS. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive information and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marketing firm that provides > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > related industries, has defined > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the term "super luxury" segment > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for luxury cars costing more than > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineup of Rolls Royce, Bentley, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aston Martin, Maybach, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maserati, as these marques do not > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer lower-priced offerings in > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the entry-level luxury or > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-luxury segments like more > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > attempted to move downmarket > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > somewhat with offerings priced > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considerably lower than their > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Phantom and Bentley Mulsanne) such > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the Rolls Royce Ghost and the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley Continental GT, creating > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > what Car and Driver describes as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the "entry-opulent segment". > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley, Maybach, and Rolls-Royce > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles share platforms and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines with other luxury brands > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from their parent auto company, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > however Rolls-Royce and Bentley > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are assembled in England (separate > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from the rest of BMW and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Group's production > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > plants) and this "exclusivity" has > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > made these British marques a sales > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > success. By comparison, Maybachs > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are built alongside the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedan which has explained why it > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has not fared well in the market, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > furthermore the Maybach's pedigree > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > was virtually unknown outside of > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Germany unlike its British rivals > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which have long enjoyed renown > >> worldwide. A > >> >> > > > > Bentley executive was > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> exclusivity, history and obsessive luxury > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> help to convince customers that a Bentley > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> is worth the price" which is at least > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> twice that of a flagship luxury car from > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> BMW or Mercedes-Benz. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship cars from Audi, BMW, and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz are often included > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > here as well. They often have > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for great refinement and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smoothness, even though > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar output while being less > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive. While BMW sells far > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fewer V12-engined 7-Series > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retains popularity in the US, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > China, and Russia, as well as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the luxury vehicle market > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment. These ultra-luxury trims > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also feature standard luxury and > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technology features that would be > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > siblings. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > diberikan oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lagi definisinya di atas) untuk > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > disuapin aja). > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pada > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah, walau harganya > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedang memperbincangkan kenikmatan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berkendaraan dengan akselerasi > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tinggi, bukannya memperbincangkan > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tulisan. Mengutip kata-kata guru > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wanita SMA kami di Bandung dulu > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (kebetulan beliau berdarah Ambon) > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yang mengajar pelajaran bahasa > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jerman: "Meneer, itu mata apa > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > baso, Meneer?" > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > karena sudah membuang waku orang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > untuk menerangkan sesuatu yang > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bisa dicari sendiri. > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> been removed] > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > removed] > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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