Gua sudah bilang agama itu urusan pribadi. Mau gua jadi pengikut aliran Baha'i juga urusan gua sendiri, lu kok repot amat.
--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Padahal si Teddy itu ga berani bilang apa agamanya saking pengecutnya, > bisa2nya dia bilang orang lain sbg pengecut. > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:35 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > > > > > >Persis kayak Roman Proteus yang sedeng: item abu, katanya, adalah > >pengecut... > > > >Makin jelas bahwa memang banyak persamaan antara Teddy ini dengan orang > >Islam disini... > > > >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> Pengecut!!! (ala film-film Amerika dengan diiringi nada-nada dari lagu > >> kebangsaan Perancis, La Marseillaise). > >> > >> > >> --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hehehe ... gua sih ga heran kalo si Teddy bisa galak dan buas kalo > >> > ngebela kepentingannya sendiri. Anjing jg bisa galak kalo tulangnya mau > >> > diambil anjing lain. > >> > > >> > Tp si Teddy ini lebih rendah dr anjing krn ga tau malu padahal anjing > >> > itu mash tahu malu. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >________________________________ > >> > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> > >To: [email protected] > >> > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00 AM > >> > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > >> > >katanya, tidak peduli..) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >à> >> > >Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama > >> > >sia-sianya dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat saya dulu > >> > >berurusan dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, rombongan tersebut saya > >> > >kejar hingga ke markas mereka di Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala > >> > >rombongan mereka, saya jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan > >> > >maaf dengan memberikan nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala rombongan > >> > >berjanji untuk mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang langsung bisa > >> > >dirasakan pejabat terkait. Protege anda ini luar biasa pengecutnya. > >> > > > >> > >Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi saya > >> > >melebihi semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya saya lebih > >> > >menghendaki sistem perpajakan seperti di AS berlaku di Australia di > >> > >mana potongan pajak jauh lebih rendah. > >> > > > >> > >Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang ongkang-ongkang kaki > >> > >tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang pajak orang banyak. > >> > > > >> > >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu > >> > >> artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan > >> > >> bedebah itu. > >> > >> > >> > >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 > >> > >> hingga Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst > >> > >> Utrecht dan sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari > >> > >> negeri Belanda yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia > >> > >> menjatuhkan Orde Baru. > >> > >> > >> > >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan > >> > >> sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah > >> > >> manusia oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Ha ha ha. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke > >> > >> > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar > >> > >> > yang telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" > >> > >> > anda selama ini? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang > >> > >> > orang lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' > >> > >> > yang sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira > >> > >> > orang-orang ini pantas menerima santunan? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi > >> > >> > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Ini satu. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan > >> > >> > > karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial > >> > >> > > dan jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang > >> > >> > > peduli akan kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil > >> > >> > > mewah dan anda tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh > >> > >> > > para bedebah yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari > >> > >> > > merek menghina korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat dengan > >> > >> > > petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah hasil jarahannya. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi > >> > >> > > menjijikkan. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda > >> > >> > > > tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga > >> > >> > > > yang tinggal di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah > >> > >> > > > yang merupakan feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih > >> > >> > > > mungkin bisa memberikan perubahan. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena > >> > >> > > > mereka tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu > >> > >> > > > urusan anda sendiri. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan > >> > >> > > > ibu saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan > >> > >> > > > sen-sen yang dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih > >> > >> > > > lebih banyak daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini > >> > >> > > > tidak gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama > >> > >> > > > ini. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> > >> > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi > >> > >> > > > > menjijikkan. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah > >> > >> > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu > >> > >> > > > > menghina korban jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari > >> > >> > > > > petatang petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di > >> > >> > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item > >> > >> > > > > abu peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang > >> > >> > > > > dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya > >> > >> > > > > berpihak kepada pejabat penjahat itu. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> > >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Asyik... > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di > >> > >> > > > > > > Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan > >> > >> > > > > > > mereka... > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan > >> > >> > > > > > > mobil mewah... > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > >> > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > >> > >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di > >> > >> > > > > > > > mana lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya > >> > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, > >> > >> > > > > > > > maka itu pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil > >> > >> > > > > > > > pejabat yang lu recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori > >> > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi standar seperti yang > >> > >> > > > > > > > disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat > >> > >> > > > > > > > untuk punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali > >> > >> > > > > > > > tidak peduli karena bukan urusan gua. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> > >> > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah > >> > >> > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya > >> > >> > > > > > > > > sendiri, lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang dia make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pernah ngelarang si Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka > >> > >> > > > > > > > > hatinya? Yg gua bilang adalah si Teddy adalah > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bajingan rakus dan serakah, bajingan yg ga peduli dgn > >> > >> > > > > > > > > orang lain, bukan ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka > >> > >> > > > > > > > > hatinya. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya, tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga > >> > >> > > > > > > > > mau ngaku bhw mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal > >> > >> > > > > > > > > dia sendiri yg bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > omongannya, maka ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Ãâà> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil-mobil mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >amat dengan orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >urusan pribadi orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >pasti duitnya bukan dari lu. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dasar mulut lobang taik lu ini. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: [email protected] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> tetapi belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> mewah, seperti sebagai mobil sport dari > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> high-end / ukuran penuh kategori mewah. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> ><teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> hanya mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Semua orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> merk sebuah mobil sport. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dalam klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> anda untuk melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> punya mata atau cuma baso doang. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000, but would not necessarily be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the sports cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > does compete in the high-end > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury/full-size luxury category. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > jelas dungunya, referensi Teddy yang > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan definisinya sendiri atas > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "mobil-mobil mewah". > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > jadi bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mata. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" pleasant or > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > desirable features beyond strict > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"at > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased expense (see: definition of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury). The term suggests a vehicle with > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > greater equipment, performance, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > construction precision, comfort, design > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ingenuity, technological innovation, or > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features that convey brand image, cachet, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigeÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"or any > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > other discretionary feature or combination > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of features. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is relatively > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by several > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > European brands in the mid-2000s, and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > constitute the least expensive offerings in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their lineups. These cars are targeted at a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > niche market of young customers who have a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more refined taste in their automobiles and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the means to pay for them.[citation needed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By offering a smaller, lighter, more > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this serves to introduce a younger customer > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to the luxury marque, in hopes of retaining > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the coveted customer loyalty.[citation > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz B-Class. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market cars from the marque's parent > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > company (the A3), and/or have less > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > upmarket vehicles in the lineup (such as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the B-Class). The body style tends to be a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hatchback or compact wagon, previously > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > associated with economy cars but regaining > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > popularity in the United States for its > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > afforded utility. The luxury branding and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > style, high-quality interior materials, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wide range of convenience features, and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance powertrains are key to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > distinguishing them from mass market > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equivalents (one mistake made by the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cadillac Cimarron) and making these appeal > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to consumers. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considers the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium compact segment due to similar size > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and MSRP, though these are known in Europe > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as a small family car and a compact > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car, respectively. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > known as the compact executive car in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Britain and (Mittelklasse in German). In > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the US, this segment mostly includes the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bottom vehicles in the line-up of luxury > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands as well as the top-of-the-line > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models of some non-luxury brands. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and sometimes even smaller than compact > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. Mass market compact cars typically > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > use the economical front wheel drive > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout, well suited to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the inline-4 engine, which also maximizes > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior room. Several compact executive > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars are rear-wheel drive with longitudinal > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines, for improved stability and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > handling, and in order to accommodate the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger size of higher-performance engines > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (straight-6, V6, rarely V8), with > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > four-wheel drive often being available. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars also tend have more > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > complicated independent suspensions, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sportier transmissions, and high revolution > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines that may require premium gasoline. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The more complex powertrain and mechanical > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layouts of compact executive cars comes at > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased cost and reduced interior > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > passenger and trunk space. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S60, Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi A4, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty handling. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TL, Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also considered entry-level luxury in the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > United States and Canada, being similar in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price to the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are not sold in Europe and do not fall > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > under European luxury classifications. The > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ES and TL actually began as badge > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered versions of the midsize Toyota > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Camry and Honda Accord, respectively, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retaining the front wheel drive transverse > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, whereas Toyota's current > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lexus IS does not share a platform with > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market Toyota cars. The ES and TL are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not considered executive cars either, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since executive > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars usually emphasize higher performance, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often being rear-wheel drive with > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > iterations of the ES and LaCrosse emphasize > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "comfortable, reasonably priced luxury", > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > while the TL has recently been > targeted at > >> > the entry-level > >> > >> > > > > > > > > luxury > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > very competitive, and there has been > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury cars. The bestselling vehicles > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of the marque are frequently compact > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars, such as the BMW 3 Series > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that makes up 40% of the vehicles that BMW > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sells worldwide. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > referred to as executive cars in Britain, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Obere Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'Ã'Ãâères in French. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Examples include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar XF > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are engineered and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > positioned as premium vehicles with better > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance and technology amenities. There > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are also higher development and production > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > costs, as many well-known mid-luxury cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > use the longitudinal (usually front engine > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear wheel drive layout) engine mounting > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which affords space for powerful engines > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > such as a V8, instead of the more > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical transverse engine layout of mass > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market cars which are restricted to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > inline-4 or V6. Executive cars usually have > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower sales and production volumes compared > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to mid-size cars and large family cars, as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > base trims with less equipment and smaller > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines are not sold in U.S. and Canadian > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > markets. Also due to the problem of steep > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > depreciation, especially concerning cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from less prestigious brands, most > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are produced by marques that > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > specialize in larger/more expensive > >> > vehicles. Particularly in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'Ã'Ãâën and Infiniti have not had > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> much success. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-range models of several luxury car > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > manufacturers. There are also some flagship > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedans in this segment, such as the Acura > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RL and Infiniti M. Executive cars such as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automaker's bottom line, and although not > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the highest-selling model, they generate a > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > significant amount of profits due to the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lucrative technology options. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these are the marque's showcases for the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > newest automotive technology. Several > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > nameplates also offer long-wheelbase > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > versions that offer additional rear legroom > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and amenities. Full-size luxury cars sold > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in Canada and the U.S. typically have > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-displacement V8 engines, though > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > recently some marques have offered six > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cylinder powerplants but without much > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > success. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the models from the flagship lines of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury car brands. Examples include the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and in the US, the Lincoln Town Car and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cadillac DTS. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > provides solutions to automotive and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > related industries, has defined the term > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "super luxury" segment for luxury cars > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > costing more than US$100,000. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maybach, and Maserati, as these marques do > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not offer lower-priced offerings in the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > entry-level luxury or mid-luxury segments > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > like more mainstream luxury brands like BMW > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > move downmarket somewhat with offerings > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced considerably lower than their > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the Rolls > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Royce Ghost and the Bentley Continental GT, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > creating what Car and Driver describes as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the "entry-opulent segment". Bentley, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maybach, and Rolls-Royce vehicles share > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platforms and engines with other luxury > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands from their parent auto company, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > however Rolls-Royce and Bentley are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > assembled in England (separate from the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rest of BMW and Volkswagen Group's > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production plants) and this "exclusivity" > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has made these British marques a sales > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > success. By comparison, Maybachs are built > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > alongside the Mercedes-Benz S-Class > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship sedan which has explained why it > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has not fared well in the market, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > furthermore the Maybach's pedigree was > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > virtually unknown outside of Germany unlike > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > its British rivals which have long enjoyed > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > renown > worldwide. A > >> > Bentley executive was > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> is at least twice that of a flagship luxury car > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often included here as well. They often > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > great refinement and smoothness, even > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > though contemporary V8 engines can make > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar output while being less expensive. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > While BMW sells far fewer V12-engined > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 7-Series vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retains popularity in the US, China, and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Russia, as well as maintaining the marque's > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestige in the luxury vehicle market > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment. These ultra-luxury trims also > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature standard luxury and technology > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features that would be considered optional > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > on their V8 siblings. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000, but would not necessarily be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the sports cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > does compete in the high-end > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury/full-size luxury category. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mewah (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya merk > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari sendiri > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > jawabnya, jangan mau disuapin aja). > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000, but would not necessarily be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such as > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the sports cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > does compete in the high-end > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury/full-size luxury category. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dulu berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan kenikmatan berkendaraan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tulisan. Mengutip kata-kata guru wanita SMA > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kami di Bandung dulu (kebetulan beliau > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdarah Ambon) yang mengajar pelajaran > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bahasa Jerman: "Meneer, itu mata apa baso, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Meneer?" > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali karena sudah > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > membuang waku orang untuk menerangkan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sesuatu yang bisa dicari sendiri. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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