On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 5:04 PM apoorve kalot <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello all, > > Thanks for your views, i wanted to state that as i initially thought to > keep these videos as just complementary part as stated, apart from official > documentation ( as mentioned by Julius himself as well ). I also agree to > both Julien and Julius about the points stated that keeping videos updated > and upto certain quality measure which could be tough, but for that we can > set some basic benchmarks while making videos, like what type of content > should be used, ( whether it is animation, screen recording, casual > explanation, hands-on or combinations of these ), periodicity at which > these videos might get updated, ( or might involve some new changes which > get into production after new version release ). > > Julien, I know there are playlist and many vidoes for these purposes as > well but they have downside of their own : > * Some of these talks and videos which are stated are being old enough as > in current times new versions of Prometheus services might got > update/upgrade in some/new feature. > * Some of these playlist ( or courses ) are paid, and which might not be > good option for new comers. ( also it doesn't correlate with "open source" > that generally being practiced by Prometheus community ). > * People would generally follow tutorials from standard and official > product maintainers as compared to third party or individual content ( if > they are of good quality ). And these unofficial guides might not be of > that helpful as well as they may get outdated too. > > So what we could do, as Krasi mentioned that we could have some learning > environment where we could deploy resources for learning concepts and these > environments would be better option, serving as complementary to official > documentation. > Totally. It's just a matter of someone actually doing and maintaining it over a time. It happens more easily if someone is willing to spend money on it, of course :) > On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:24:57 PM UTC+5:30, Krasi Georgiev wrote: >> >> I saw that Thanos uses https://www.katacoda.com/ and maybe that would be >> a better options than videos which might be outdated quite fast. >> >> >> On Mar 2 2020, at 5:31 pm, Julius Volz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Not that I'm aware of. We have a couple of early talks on >> https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/media/, but it's pretty dated. >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:26 PM Matthias Rampke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Do we have a somewhat up-to-date curated list of Prometheus-related talks >> / recordings that are already around? >> >> /MR >> >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:45 AM Julius Volz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I always wanted to create some YouTube videos covering certain topics, >> but never did it yet because I have certain quality expectations, and it >> costs a lot of (free and unpaid) time and energy to create good videos. >> Videos have some upsides like being able to visualize and quickly >> demonstrate things via screencasts, animations, etc., or just by more >> casual explanation than in a documentation. >> >> But they also have a bunch of downsides, like: >> >> - It's almost impossible to keep them up to date unless you have a >> professional video recording team re-recording things whenever something >> changes. >> - It's harder with videos to just skim a topic quickly and find just the >> information you care about (for that, written documentation is usually >> easier). >> - They generally just take a large effort to do properly, and the joy and >> use you get from them as a learner really depends a lot on the quality of >> the instructor and the video production quality. >> >> I'd still love to explain certain topics via video at some point if I >> find the time and energy, but it would probably never be able to be a >> replacement for documentation, just explaining certain key concepts or >> demoing how to set up Prometheus in various ways, etc. So more of a >> complementary resource. >> >> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 10:25 PM apoorve kalot <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I have some ideas which i want to work upon, under Prometheus, i don't >> know if it would be of that level, but i need of opinion of your all. >> >> The idea is, *developing a series of official YouTube tutorials which >> will be part of official Documentation* for working and playing with >> Prometheus, like from basics of node exporter to writing custom exporter in >> custom language, or working with 3rd party exporters, >> >> *Why it is necessary/ should be done* : In the community IRC, there are >> times when people might ask a information, which might be redundant, or >> might be useful to other user at later point of time, and these tutorials, >> or videos about basic misconceptions, would help to clear all these related >> problems >> >> *Example* : Some of the other open source communities have these >> playlist as part of official documentation, which helps community as well, >> along with people who want use/contribute to the product itself, like >> Kubernetes, TensorFlow, etc. >> >> *Advantages of using it* : >> * The Redundant discussion of basic usage of Prometheus and other related >> tools. >> * Would indirectly help in extending support to community itself, and >> thus would also help in getting new members/contributors which might turn >> into individual maintainers as well. >> * Learning through videos is more efficient as compared to >> documentation, or written stuff [ for this opinion not all might be in >> favor, but everyone would agree about the fact that former is faster than >> latter one ]. For serious bugs and problems, one can always refer and ask >> help back from Prometheus community IRC. >> >> These videos, other than basic implementation, would also contain basic >> practices which involves while using Prometheus and it's services. >> >> Note : i haven't have selected the specifics topics which should be >> included in these videos, but i would be asking other >> Developers/Maintainers of the Prometheus as well as regular users of >> Prometheus. 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