On basis of above discussion, I propose that, if any of the available maintainers would like to mentor me for creating a *katacoda scenario* *for Prometheus* as well, for* serving as complementary resources* to official Prometheus document. I could prepare associated design document in about 1-2 week, which will be including what type of content to be added to it, variety and depth of each used content.
On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 10:06:22 PM UTC+5:30, Julius Volz wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 5:04 PM apoorve kalot <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Thanks for your views, i wanted to state that as i initially thought to >> keep these videos as just complementary part as stated, apart from official >> documentation ( as mentioned by Julius himself as well ). I also agree to >> both Julien and Julius about the points stated that keeping videos updated >> and upto certain quality measure which could be tough, but for that we can >> set some basic benchmarks while making videos, like what type of content >> should be used, ( whether it is animation, screen recording, casual >> explanation, hands-on or combinations of these ), periodicity at which >> these videos might get updated, ( or might involve some new changes which >> get into production after new version release ). >> >> Julien, I know there are playlist and many vidoes for these purposes as >> well but they have downside of their own : >> * Some of these talks and videos which are stated are being old enough as >> in current times new versions of Prometheus services might got >> update/upgrade in some/new feature. >> * Some of these playlist ( or courses ) are paid, and which might not be >> good option for new comers. ( also it doesn't correlate with "open source" >> that generally being practiced by Prometheus community ). >> * People would generally follow tutorials from standard and official >> product maintainers as compared to third party or individual content ( if >> they are of good quality ). And these unofficial guides might not be of >> that helpful as well as they may get outdated too. >> >> So what we could do, as Krasi mentioned that we could have some learning >> environment where we could deploy resources for learning concepts and these >> environments would be better option, serving as complementary to official >> documentation. >> > > Totally. It's just a matter of someone actually doing and maintaining it > over a time. It happens more easily if someone is willing to spend money on > it, of course :) > > >> On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 9:24:57 PM UTC+5:30, Krasi Georgiev wrote: >>> >>> I saw that Thanos uses https://www.katacoda.com/ and maybe that would >>> be a better options than videos which might be outdated quite fast. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 2 2020, at 5:31 pm, Julius Volz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Not that I'm aware of. We have a couple of early talks on >>> https://prometheus.io/docs/introduction/media/, but it's pretty dated. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:26 PM Matthias Rampke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Do we have a somewhat up-to-date curated list of Prometheus-related >>> talks / recordings that are already around? >>> >>> /MR >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:45 AM Julius Volz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I always wanted to create some YouTube videos covering certain topics, >>> but never did it yet because I have certain quality expectations, and it >>> costs a lot of (free and unpaid) time and energy to create good videos. >>> Videos have some upsides like being able to visualize and quickly >>> demonstrate things via screencasts, animations, etc., or just by more >>> casual explanation than in a documentation. >>> >>> But they also have a bunch of downsides, like: >>> >>> - It's almost impossible to keep them up to date unless you have a >>> professional video recording team re-recording things whenever something >>> changes. >>> - It's harder with videos to just skim a topic quickly and find just the >>> information you care about (for that, written documentation is usually >>> easier). >>> - They generally just take a large effort to do properly, and the joy >>> and use you get from them as a learner really depends a lot on the quality >>> of the instructor and the video production quality. >>> >>> I'd still love to explain certain topics via video at some point if I >>> find the time and energy, but it would probably never be able to be a >>> replacement for documentation, just explaining certain key concepts or >>> demoing how to set up Prometheus in various ways, etc. So more of a >>> complementary resource. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 10:25 PM apoorve kalot <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I have some ideas which i want to work upon, under Prometheus, i don't >>> know if it would be of that level, but i need of opinion of your all. >>> >>> The idea is, *developing a series of official YouTube tutorials which >>> will be part of official Documentation* for working and playing with >>> Prometheus, like from basics of node exporter to writing custom exporter in >>> custom language, or working with 3rd party exporters, >>> >>> *Why it is necessary/ should be done* : In the community IRC, there are >>> times when people might ask a information, which might be redundant, or >>> might be useful to other user at later point of time, and these tutorials, >>> or videos about basic misconceptions, would help to clear all these related >>> problems >>> >>> *Example* : Some of the other open source communities have these >>> playlist as part of official documentation, which helps community as well, >>> along with people who want use/contribute to the product itself, like >>> Kubernetes, TensorFlow, etc. >>> >>> *Advantages of using it* : >>> * The Redundant discussion of basic usage of Prometheus and other >>> related tools. >>> * Would indirectly help in extending support to community itself, and >>> thus would also help in getting new members/contributors which might turn >>> into individual maintainers as well. >>> * Learning through videos is more efficient as compared to >>> documentation, or written stuff [ for this opinion not all might be in >>> favor, but everyone would agree about the fact that former is faster than >>> latter one ]. For serious bugs and problems, one can always refer and ask >>> help back from Prometheus community IRC. >>> >>> These videos, other than basic implementation, would also contain basic >>> practices which involves while using Prometheus and it's services. >>> >>> Note : i haven't have selected the specifics topics which should be >>> included in these videos, but i would be asking other >>> Developers/Maintainers of the Prometheus as well as regular users of >>> Prometheus. 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