> Yes, true...
> 
> You must have quoted someone a flat rate on a big job??? :)
> 

    I guess it's that obvious...

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a concern.


> Yes, true...
> 
> You must have quoted someone a flat rate on a big job??? :)
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 2:13 PM
> > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a
> > concern.
> >
> >
> > > I tend to agree with most of what you said except for AMD. I have a
> > > Athlon900 sytem here and it seems to "blow away the doors" of a PIII-700
> > > that is also here for general purpose use. Yes I know it's
> > faster, but it
> > > seems WAY faster.
> >
> >     The problem with comparing earlier cpu's is that the
> > performance characteristics radically change with regard to the latest
> > available CPUs.  Another problem is if you are not exactly sure
> > what's in your system, the radical performance change between the
> > Athlon900 & PIII-700 may be due to other advancements in your
> > system, not just the cpu. Like video card, agp speed, memory speed &
> > general motherboard chipset capabilities.  Now I am not knocking
> > Athlon here, I'm just saying I mean to get the fastest possible PC
> > for Protel today within a 4-5K$ budget.
> >
> >     I have a personal stake in this new PCB & time here will cost
> > me money.  I do not whish to wait for Protel at any time.  I also
> > do not want sluggish panning when routing the board since I will
> > be manually routing it.  I also do not want to buy a system which
> > is a bit slower because of something silly like a cheap
> > motherboard ram controller.
> >
> >
> > ____________
> > Brian Guralnick
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Voice (514) 624-4003
> > Fax (514) 624-3631
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not
> > a concern.
> >
> >
> > > I tend to agree with most of what you said except for AMD. I have a
> > > Athlon900 sytem here and it seems to "blow away the doors" of a PIII-700
> > > that is also here for general purpose use. Yes I know it's
> > faster, but it
> > > seems WAY faster.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:25 AM
> > > > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a
> > > > concern.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brian,
> > > >
> > > > This is a great topic, especially when money is not a concern.  I
> > > > have great
> > > > trust with the opinions of this group, but make sure that you
> > spend a good
> > > > amount of time researching the stats of what you are looking
> > at and the
> > > > advice you receive.
> > > >
> > > > Tom's Hardware Guide www.tomshardware.com is an excellent
> > > > starting resource
> > > > for everything, other than entering key words in a search engine.
> > > > The chipset and motherboard issue have too many variables to
> > > > correctly guess
> > > > which one is the best and is largely determined by your CPU choice(s).
> > > > >From my personal experience, the pros of AMD are mostly seen on game
> > > > oriented platforms, when money is no object.
> > > > I believe the industry made a mistake with RDRAM.  Go with
> > the fastest DDR
> > > > available.  DDR400, I think.
> > > > With IDE RAID and the RPM's higher end IDE HD's are now at, SCSI
> > > > may be just
> > > > an added complication to the system.  I would re-think a SCSI
> > decision if
> > > > that decision is based on speed and/or RAID.
> > > > I bought my power supply from PC Power and Cooling
> > > > www.pcpowerandcooling.com
> > > > Never had any problems even when the power flickered, reset
> > the cable box
> > > > and turned off the TV.  I did not have a UPS at home and I
> > know that was
> > > > just plain stupid, but my monitor never even flickered and I kept on
> > > > working.  I have had one person tell me afterwards that PC Power
> > > > and Cooling
> > > > is just a reseller.  I have not verified this.
> > > >
> > > > I am excited for you...
> > > > I got my first big board near the end of last year.  An 18-layer
> > > > OC192 card
> > > > with the major components being 22 BGA's from 676 pins to 272
> > > > pins, 12 QFP's
> > > > from 100 to 32 pins, and a large multiple power supply section.
> > > > It had diff
> > > > pairs, matched lengths, clock lines and controlled
> > impedances.  The entire
> > > > board was hand routed on my then new machine here at home, and a 420
> > > > Precision Dell that I was upgraded to at my work.  The
> > beautiful part was
> > > > the majority of the board was in four mostly repeatable sections.
> > > >  This 24"
> > > > x 8" card is still the most enjoyable project I have
> > encountered to date.
> > > >
> > > > My employer and I have had mostly good experiences with Dell
> > support.  The
> > > > bad experiences were only when we tried to use e-mail
> > correspondence to
> > > > solve an issue.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck to you.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > > Drew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:35 PM
> > > > Subject: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not
> > a concern.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > >     I just got my first mega-huge contract for PCB design with
> > > > Protel. We
> > > > are talking 8 x 1020 FBGAs + 4 x 1024 bit DDR sdram
> > > > > sections + a whole lot of other stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > >     Price of system is not a concern.  I have no problem in
> > choosing OS,
> > > > video card, monitors, HDs...  It's the choice of
> > > > > motherboard & memory bus speed.
> > > > >
> > > > >     My target system is Dual P4, 2 GByte ram, Seagate Cheetah SCSI3
> > > > drives.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the current top RDR memory technology?
> > > > > What is the current top motherboard chipset, & motherboard
> > > > brand for such
> > > > a system?
> > > > > What is the best choice for a PC power supply?  (For such a
> > system, the
> > > > run of the mil 350 watt just isn't good enough, especially
> > > > > when you consider the price of the whole thin, I'd rather
> > got with the
> > > > Cadillac of power supplies.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > ____________
> > > > > Brian Guralnick
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Voice (514) 624-4003
> > > > > Fax (514) 624-3631
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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