Yes, true...

You must have quoted someone a flat rate on a big job??? :)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 2:13 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a
> concern.
>
>
> > I tend to agree with most of what you said except for AMD. I have a
> > Athlon900 sytem here and it seems to "blow away the doors" of a PIII-700
> > that is also here for general purpose use. Yes I know it's
> faster, but it
> > seems WAY faster.
>
>     The problem with comparing earlier cpu's is that the
> performance characteristics radically change with regard to the latest
> available CPUs.  Another problem is if you are not exactly sure
> what's in your system, the radical performance change between the
> Athlon900 & PIII-700 may be due to other advancements in your
> system, not just the cpu. Like video card, agp speed, memory speed &
> general motherboard chipset capabilities.  Now I am not knocking
> Athlon here, I'm just saying I mean to get the fastest possible PC
> for Protel today within a 4-5K$ budget.
>
>     I have a personal stake in this new PCB & time here will cost
> me money.  I do not whish to wait for Protel at any time.  I also
> do not want sluggish panning when routing the board since I will
> be manually routing it.  I also do not want to buy a system which
> is a bit slower because of something silly like a cheap
> motherboard ram controller.
>
>
> ____________
> Brian Guralnick
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Voice (514) 624-4003
> Fax (514) 624-3631
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not
> a concern.
>
>
> > I tend to agree with most of what you said except for AMD. I have a
> > Athlon900 sytem here and it seems to "blow away the doors" of a PIII-700
> > that is also here for general purpose use. Yes I know it's
> faster, but it
> > seems WAY faster.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:25 AM
> > > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a
> > > concern.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > This is a great topic, especially when money is not a concern.  I
> > > have great
> > > trust with the opinions of this group, but make sure that you
> spend a good
> > > amount of time researching the stats of what you are looking
> at and the
> > > advice you receive.
> > >
> > > Tom's Hardware Guide www.tomshardware.com is an excellent
> > > starting resource
> > > for everything, other than entering key words in a search engine.
> > > The chipset and motherboard issue have too many variables to
> > > correctly guess
> > > which one is the best and is largely determined by your CPU choice(s).
> > > >From my personal experience, the pros of AMD are mostly seen on game
> > > oriented platforms, when money is no object.
> > > I believe the industry made a mistake with RDRAM.  Go with
> the fastest DDR
> > > available.  DDR400, I think.
> > > With IDE RAID and the RPM's higher end IDE HD's are now at, SCSI
> > > may be just
> > > an added complication to the system.  I would re-think a SCSI
> decision if
> > > that decision is based on speed and/or RAID.
> > > I bought my power supply from PC Power and Cooling
> > > www.pcpowerandcooling.com
> > > Never had any problems even when the power flickered, reset
> the cable box
> > > and turned off the TV.  I did not have a UPS at home and I
> know that was
> > > just plain stupid, but my monitor never even flickered and I kept on
> > > working.  I have had one person tell me afterwards that PC Power
> > > and Cooling
> > > is just a reseller.  I have not verified this.
> > >
> > > I am excited for you...
> > > I got my first big board near the end of last year.  An 18-layer
> > > OC192 card
> > > with the major components being 22 BGA's from 676 pins to 272
> > > pins, 12 QFP's
> > > from 100 to 32 pins, and a large multiple power supply section.
> > > It had diff
> > > pairs, matched lengths, clock lines and controlled
> impedances.  The entire
> > > board was hand routed on my then new machine here at home, and a 420
> > > Precision Dell that I was upgraded to at my work.  The
> beautiful part was
> > > the majority of the board was in four mostly repeatable sections.
> > >  This 24"
> > > x 8" card is still the most enjoyable project I have
> encountered to date.
> > >
> > > My employer and I have had mostly good experiences with Dell
> support.  The
> > > bad experiences were only when we tried to use e-mail
> correspondence to
> > > solve an issue.
> > >
> > > Good luck to you.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > > Drew
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:35 PM
> > > Subject: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not
> a concern.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > >
> > > >     I just got my first mega-huge contract for PCB design with
> > > Protel. We
> > > are talking 8 x 1020 FBGAs + 4 x 1024 bit DDR sdram
> > > > sections + a whole lot of other stuff.
> > > >
> > > >     Price of system is not a concern.  I have no problem in
> choosing OS,
> > > video card, monitors, HDs...  It's the choice of
> > > > motherboard & memory bus speed.
> > > >
> > > >     My target system is Dual P4, 2 GByte ram, Seagate Cheetah SCSI3
> > > drives.
> > > >
> > > > What is the current top RDR memory technology?
> > > > What is the current top motherboard chipset, & motherboard
> > > brand for such
> > > a system?
> > > > What is the best choice for a PC power supply?  (For such a
> system, the
> > > run of the mil 350 watt just isn't good enough, especially
> > > > when you consider the price of the whole thin, I'd rather
> got with the
> > > Cadillac of power supplies.)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > ____________
> > > > Brian Guralnick
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Voice (514) 624-4003
> > > > Fax (514) 624-3631
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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