Yes, true... You must have quoted someone a flat rate on a big job??? :)
> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 2:13 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a > concern. > > > > I tend to agree with most of what you said except for AMD. I have a > > Athlon900 sytem here and it seems to "blow away the doors" of a PIII-700 > > that is also here for general purpose use. Yes I know it's > faster, but it > > seems WAY faster. > > The problem with comparing earlier cpu's is that the > performance characteristics radically change with regard to the latest > available CPUs. Another problem is if you are not exactly sure > what's in your system, the radical performance change between the > Athlon900 & PIII-700 may be due to other advancements in your > system, not just the cpu. Like video card, agp speed, memory speed & > general motherboard chipset capabilities. Now I am not knocking > Athlon here, I'm just saying I mean to get the fastest possible PC > for Protel today within a 4-5K$ budget. > > I have a personal stake in this new PCB & time here will cost > me money. I do not whish to wait for Protel at any time. I also > do not want sluggish panning when routing the board since I will > be manually routing it. I also do not want to buy a system which > is a bit slower because of something silly like a cheap > motherboard ram controller. > > > ____________ > Brian Guralnick > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Voice (514) 624-4003 > Fax (514) 624-3631 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not > a concern. > > > > I tend to agree with most of what you said except for AMD. I have a > > Athlon900 sytem here and it seems to "blow away the doors" of a PIII-700 > > that is also here for general purpose use. Yes I know it's > faster, but it > > seems WAY faster. > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:25 AM > > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a > > > concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian, > > > > > > This is a great topic, especially when money is not a concern. I > > > have great > > > trust with the opinions of this group, but make sure that you > spend a good > > > amount of time researching the stats of what you are looking > at and the > > > advice you receive. > > > > > > Tom's Hardware Guide www.tomshardware.com is an excellent > > > starting resource > > > for everything, other than entering key words in a search engine. > > > The chipset and motherboard issue have too many variables to > > > correctly guess > > > which one is the best and is largely determined by your CPU choice(s). > > > >From my personal experience, the pros of AMD are mostly seen on game > > > oriented platforms, when money is no object. > > > I believe the industry made a mistake with RDRAM. Go with > the fastest DDR > > > available. DDR400, I think. > > > With IDE RAID and the RPM's higher end IDE HD's are now at, SCSI > > > may be just > > > an added complication to the system. I would re-think a SCSI > decision if > > > that decision is based on speed and/or RAID. > > > I bought my power supply from PC Power and Cooling > > > www.pcpowerandcooling.com > > > Never had any problems even when the power flickered, reset > the cable box > > > and turned off the TV. I did not have a UPS at home and I > know that was > > > just plain stupid, but my monitor never even flickered and I kept on > > > working. I have had one person tell me afterwards that PC Power > > > and Cooling > > > is just a reseller. I have not verified this. > > > > > > I am excited for you... > > > I got my first big board near the end of last year. An 18-layer > > > OC192 card > > > with the major components being 22 BGA's from 676 pins to 272 > > > pins, 12 QFP's > > > from 100 to 32 pins, and a large multiple power supply section. > > > It had diff > > > pairs, matched lengths, clock lines and controlled > impedances. The entire > > > board was hand routed on my then new machine here at home, and a 420 > > > Precision Dell that I was upgraded to at my work. The > beautiful part was > > > the majority of the board was in four mostly repeatable sections. > > > This 24" > > > x 8" card is still the most enjoyable project I have > encountered to date. > > > > > > My employer and I have had mostly good experiences with Dell > support. The > > > bad experiences were only when we tried to use e-mail > correspondence to > > > solve an issue. > > > > > > Good luck to you. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:35 PM > > > Subject: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not > a concern. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > I just got my first mega-huge contract for PCB design with > > > Protel. We > > > are talking 8 x 1020 FBGAs + 4 x 1024 bit DDR sdram > > > > sections + a whole lot of other stuff. > > > > > > > > Price of system is not a concern. I have no problem in > choosing OS, > > > video card, monitors, HDs... It's the choice of > > > > motherboard & memory bus speed. > > > > > > > > My target system is Dual P4, 2 GByte ram, Seagate Cheetah SCSI3 > > > drives. > > > > > > > > What is the current top RDR memory technology? > > > > What is the current top motherboard chipset, & motherboard > > > brand for such > > > a system? > > > > What is the best choice for a PC power supply? (For such a > system, the > > > run of the mil 350 watt just isn't good enough, especially > > > > when you consider the price of the whole thin, I'd rather > got with the > > > Cadillac of power supplies.) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > ____________ > > > > Brian Guralnick > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Voice (514) 624-4003 > > > > Fax (514) 624-3631 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > * Tracking #: EF8406847C44974E9EEC81ACB3A2B87673DA95A3 > > > > * > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
