I'm with ya Ivan, It's not just for 2 layer boards though. If you have 100 rpaks on a board it sure can come in handy. I STILL cannot believe that pin&gate swapping is not part of 99SE. It is a "Royal PITA" not to have that capability!!!!!!!! What a total waste of time and effort to have to go back to the schematic or even edit a netlist. Bob Wolfe
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond > > Yes, there is pin swapping within DXP. This is a horrible pox. Why would > > anyone wish to declare pin 1 is really pin 5 ? > > That's not what pin swapping is supposed to be. Pin swapping is where the > pins retain their proper numberings, but the nets that they are connected to > can be swapped. Protel PCB v2.8 had this feature, and they took it away in > later versions. Pin swapping is very useful when a PCB must be laid out for > 2 layers, and signals must be flowed from one component to another without > vias. I used this feature extensively on a PCB back in 1996. I created the > schematic, brought the netlist into PCB, routed and swapped pins, then > corrected the schematic to match the routed PCB. It was impressive the > amount of circuitry I put on that 2 layer PCB. A photo of the board (see > "I/O Board") is here: http://www.bagotronix.com/custom.html Yes, that's a > 2-layer PCB! > > Gate swapping is also useful for optimizing routing when you are using > multi-part components, such as a 74HC14 hex inverter. > > I would like to see these features put back into Protel 99SE. If they have > made it back into DXP, that's good, I suppose. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fabian Hartery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:14 PM > Subject: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond > > > > To all... > > > > It is obvious the major failings of DXP are no doubt due to a failure of > > Altium to survey its client base to see what would be truly desired within > a > > new product. The 'we think you want' policy does work well when viewed > > against the 'we can go away' reaction. > > > > There *has* to be an intent to merger PCAD and Protel some point in the > > future. The talk of PCAD as a high end solution is just a Linus factor. I > > have done far more work in a less painful fashion with 99SE, at a tremdous > > cost savings. I took the time to accept the learning curve that was not > > taken as acceptable by a PCAD user. My point is, I do not like endless hot > > keys. For a mechanical designer, the same evolutions exists for AutoCad > > users who have migrated from Desktop to Inventor. > > > > If my early perceptions were correct, with the Accel buy out, there was a > > import engine offered as a Protel feature six months into this game. There > > was also a buy-in incentive as well. I preceive there was no mass > migration > > to Protel because of 'the scare factor' that was all so evident when 98 > > users met 99. This is not the same for DXP. 99SE was/is good. Not > flawless, > > just good in a manner that is lean and very efficient to me. 98, while > also > > good never consolidated a work effort within a common, controllable, > > database. This is a feature I have come to admire. > > > > Yes, there is pin swapping within DXP. This is a horrible pox. Why would > > anyone wish to declare pin 1 is really pin 5 ? The only plus within DXP is > > that there is an intent to merger the SCH/PCB libraries. That is fine *if* > > the user is in ultimate control, not the s/w. The fact that the DDB regime > > 'may' disappear means, I have to go back and police libraires and > revisions > > all over again. Links ? Links can be broken, confused or just simply lost. > > When multiple designers manipulate a common library without a > consolidation > > manager, life is just aweful. All I want to say is, I need no more > work..... > > > > Like many others, I will support ATS if it means SP7 will arrive to give > DXP > > the time to sort out its bugs. To me, it was SP3 that accomplished much of > > that for 99SE. After SP5, I saw no major improvements that affected my > > designs directly. With DXP, I do not have the time to fix things I did not > > want to see broke in the first place. > > > > Fabian Hartery > > Research Engineer, B. Eng (Electrical) > > > > Guigne International Limited > > 63 Thorburn Road > > St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada > > A1B3M2 > > tel: 709-738-4070 > > fax: 709-738-4093 > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > website: www.guigne.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged > > information and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > to > > which it is addressed. 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