I'm with ya Ivan,
It's not just for 2 layer boards though.
If you have 100 rpaks on a board it sure
can come in handy.
I STILL cannot believe that pin&gate swapping
is not part of 99SE. It is a "Royal PITA" not to
have that capability!!!!!!!! What a total waste of time
and effort to have to go back to the schematic
or even edit a netlist.
Bob Wolfe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond


> > Yes, there is pin swapping within DXP. This is a horrible pox. Why would
> > anyone wish to declare pin 1 is really pin 5 ?
>
> That's not what pin swapping is supposed to be.  Pin swapping is where the
> pins retain their proper numberings, but the nets that they are connected
to
> can be swapped.  Protel PCB v2.8 had this feature, and they took it away
in
> later versions.  Pin swapping is very useful when a PCB must be laid out
for
> 2 layers, and signals must be flowed from one component to another without
> vias.  I used this feature extensively on a PCB back in 1996.  I created
the
> schematic, brought the netlist into PCB, routed and swapped pins, then
> corrected the schematic to match the routed PCB.  It was impressive the
> amount of circuitry I put on that 2 layer PCB.  A photo of the board (see
> "I/O Board") is here:  http://www.bagotronix.com/custom.html  Yes, that's
a
> 2-layer PCB!
>
> Gate swapping is also useful for optimizing routing when you are using
> multi-part components, such as a 74HC14 hex inverter.
>
> I would like to see these features put back into Protel 99SE.  If they
have
> made it back into DXP, that's good, I suppose.
>
> Best regards,
> Ivan Baggett
> Bagotronix Inc.
> website:  www.bagotronix.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fabian Hartery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:14 PM
> Subject: [PEDA] SP7 and beyond
>
>
> > To all...
> >
> > It is obvious the major failings of DXP are no doubt due to a failure of
> > Altium to survey its client base to see what would be truly desired
within
> a
> > new product. The 'we think you want' policy does work well when viewed
> > against the 'we can go away' reaction.
> >
> > There *has* to be an intent to merger PCAD and Protel some point in the
> > future. The talk of PCAD as a high end solution is just a Linus factor.
I
> > have done far more work in a less painful fashion with 99SE, at a
tremdous
> > cost savings. I took the time to accept the learning curve that was not
> > taken as acceptable by a PCAD user. My point is, I do not like endless
hot
> > keys. For a mechanical designer, the same evolutions exists for AutoCad
> > users who have migrated from Desktop to Inventor.
> >
> > If my early perceptions were correct, with the Accel buy out, there was
a
> > import engine offered as a Protel feature six months into this game.
There
> > was also a buy-in incentive as well. I preceive there was no mass
> migration
> > to Protel because of 'the scare factor' that was all so evident when 98
> > users met 99. This is not the same for DXP. 99SE was/is good. Not
> flawless,
> > just good in a manner that is lean and very efficient to me. 98, while
> also
> > good never consolidated a work effort within a common, controllable,
> > database. This is a feature I have come to admire.
> >
> > Yes, there is pin swapping within DXP. This is a horrible pox. Why would
> > anyone wish to declare pin 1 is really pin 5 ? The only plus within DXP
is
> > that there is an intent to merger the SCH/PCB libraries. That is fine
*if*
> > the user is in ultimate control, not the s/w. The fact that the DDB
regime
> > 'may' disappear means, I have to go back and police libraires and
> revisions
> > all over again. Links ? Links can be broken, confused or just simply
lost.
> > When multiple designers manipulate a common library without a
> consolidation
> > manager, life is just aweful. All I want to say is, I need no more
> work.....
> >
> > Like many others, I will support ATS if it means SP7 will arrive to give
> DXP
> > the time to sort out its bugs. To me, it was SP3 that accomplished much
of
> > that for 99SE. After SP5, I saw no major improvements that affected my
> > designs directly. With DXP, I do not have the time to fix things I did
not
> > want to see broke in the first place.
> >
> > Fabian Hartery
> > Research Engineer, B. Eng (Electrical)
> >
> > Guigne International Limited
> > 63 Thorburn Road
> > St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada
> > A1B3M2
> > tel: 709-738-4070
> > fax: 709-738-4093
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> > website: www.guigne.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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