Reminds me of the story about the farmer who slowly sold off little
chunks of his farm, then was surprised one day when he awoke to find
that he now owned the smallest plot on the block. Stupidity is
universal.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:26 PM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
> 
> Bill Wrote:
> I hear rumors that India and China are training PCB Designers 
> as fast as they can...
> 
> 
> I heard that rumor too. It must be going around. Maybe it's 
> not a rumor.
> 
> Tom H
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:16 PM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
> 
> Yea.. I think they added 'Manufacturing' to the name because 
> they were merging PCD with PC FAB magazine... the 
> subscriptions for PCB Design we falling off due to the 
> industry suffering and lay offs...and they weren't getting 
> the advertising revenue they needed to keep the magazine alive.
> Merging increased the number of subscribers by the amount 
> that were subscribed to the manufacturing side of the 
> industry... thus making a viable magazine again.  This still 
> does not lend credence to the high number estimated for 
> potential PCB designers out there... although I hear rumors 
> that India and China are training them as fast as they can... 
> 
> 
> Bill Brooks
> PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 http://pcbwizards.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:50 PM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Just an FYI.....
> 
> PCB Libraries is in the process of taking out some ad space 
> in PCB Design &
> Fabrication Magazine and they just reported to us yesterday that their
> circulation is now 37,000. This includes both printed and electronic
> versions.
> 
> Tom H
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:12 AM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
> 
> Yes it is interesting, since PCB design magazine had 
> indicated that there
> were about 26,000 designers/engineers subscribed to PCD in 
> the whole world
> before it became PCD&M magazine... Having 3 times the number 
> of designers
> out there using the software seems a bit of a stretch. 
> 
> I tend to think the number would be closer to the actual paid 
> maintenance
> numbers with a small percentage not active or unpaid due to financial
> troubles. Also considering the number of people I know 
> personally that have
> dropped from the ranks as designers and taken up carpentry or 
> handyman work
> or become managers at Wall Mart, I would think the number of 
> designers has
> shrunk rather than grown. 
> 
> I hope there are that many designers out there Tom, then 
> maybe there will
> still be someone to sell cad tools to in the future... :)
> 
> Thanks though for the info... I expect they skew it a bit... 
> but that's to
> be expected. They are typically very optimistic in marketing.
> 
>  It would be interesting to see what Altium thinks the market 
> is like verses
> what Cadence thinks etc...  I'll see if I can get an estimate 
> of the number
> of designers out there from my sources again... who knows it 
> may be better
> than I thought.... 
> 
> 
> Bill Brooks 
> PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
> http://pcbwizards.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:49 AM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
> 
> 
> That is pretty interesting data gathered here.  The 
> interesting part is that
> Cadence has been successful in trashing OrCAD from number 1 
> to a has been.
> I doubt if PADs schematic has overtaken OrCad.
> 
> Mike Reagan
> EDSI
> Frederick MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:30 PM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I just talked to Mentor Graphics PADS division and they say 
> that since the
> 1st release of PADS Software in 1985 they have logged 85,000 licenses.
> PowerLogic (schematic) and PowerPCB (layout) are separate licenses.
> 
> There are currently 18,000 PADS-PowerPCB seats on yearly maintenance.
> 
> It's my personal guess that there are about 35,000 
> PADS-PowerPCB seats in
> use. There are many people using old licenses that are not on yearly
> maintenance due to financial hardships over the past 4 years.
> 
> Tom
> 
> Tom Hausherr
> PCB Libraries
> CEO, Director of Technology
> 858.592.4826 Phone
> 847.745.0450 Fax
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Website: http://www.PCBLibraries.com & http://www.PCBYellowPages.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:50 AM
> To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> 
> I wonder just how many licensed seats there are of Protel in 
> the world....
> is that published anywhere?
> Also I wonder if Pads has published the same info?
> 
> I didn't participate in the poll so it's at least off by one.
> LOL...
> 
> I would venture to say Protel may have more seats that 
> Pads... but they are
> mostly not in the Southwest of the U.S.
> 
> How about it Altium... how many active seats of Protel are there?
> 
> 
> Bill Brooks
> PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
> http://pcbwizards.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> 
> According to what statistical method?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:09 PM
> > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> >
> > Ian,
> >
> > We took a poll and Protel is number two in worldwide
> > installations (behind PADS).
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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