Amen to that! I haven't used Protel that long, but overall, have been fairly
happy with it. I basically learned Protel99SE  completely on my own and find
it to be a fairly intuitive package. Unfortunately, we're in the same boat
as many others on the list, where we are evaluating the upgrade to DXP/2004
and trying to determine whether its worth it for us. Due to the kind of
designs we layout, we primarily use the schematic capture and manual PCB
routing features. We manually route all our designs due to the high density
components and the need to lower production costs by using the oldest
technology feasible. I would have liked Altium to spend its time improving
these basic features rather than adding all the useless extras. The only two
features I've found that I like so far in 2004 are the control of design
varients, and the 3d modeling (since I have to do that entirely by hand as
well). 

Darcy Davis
Design Engineer,
Dynastream Innovations, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 29, 2004 2:04 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] SV: Licenses



If Altium/Protel had spent their development resources on their core
business (SCH + PCB design tools) instead of believeing they could conquer
the market providing all other dev. tools (simulation, fpga etc), they would
have been no. 1 today.

Regards

A former Protel reseller


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Protel Hell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 29. juni 2004 21:47
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: [PEDA] Licenses


Altiums Protel will never be number 1, it is just too cumbersome. Fine for
people who have plenty of time but little $$

PH

>From: "Joe Sapienza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:56:57 -0400
>
>Mike,
>
>I doubt that PADS schematic can overtake anything....end comment
>
>With regard to Orcad yes in it's day (DOS) it was the absolute best, hands
>down. Something happened when it went to Windows then Cadence bought them
>and well..
>
>
>Joe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Reagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [PEDA] Licenses
>
>
> >
> > That is pretty interesting data gathered here.  The interesting part is
>that
> > Cadence has been successful in trashing OrCAD from number 1 to a has
>been.
> > I doubt if PADs schematic has overtaken OrCad.
> >
> > Mike Reagan
> > EDSI
> > Frederick MD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:30 PM
> > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I just talked to Mentor Graphics PADS division and they say that since
>the
> > 1st release of PADS Software in 1985 they have logged 85,000 licenses.
> > PowerLogic (schematic) and PowerPCB (layout) are separate licenses.
> >
> > There are currently 18,000 PADS-PowerPCB seats on yearly maintenance.
> >
> > It's my personal guess that there are about 35,000 PADS-PowerPCB seats
>in
> > use. There are many people using old licenses that are not on yearly
> > maintenance due to financial hardships over the past 4 years.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Tom Hausherr
> > PCB Libraries
> > CEO, Director of Technology
> > 858.592.4826 Phone
> > 847.745.0450 Fax
> > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Website: http://www.PCBLibraries.com & http://www.PCBYellowPages.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:50 AM
> > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> >
> > I wonder just how many licensed seats there are of Protel in the
>world....
> > is that published anywhere?
> > Also I wonder if Pads has published the same info?
> >
> > I didn't participate in the poll so it's at least off by one.
> > LOL...
> >
> > I would venture to say Protel may have more seats that Pads... but they
>are
> > mostly not in the Southwest of the U.S.
> >
> > How about it Altium... how many active seats of Protel are there?
> >
> >
> > Bill Brooks
> > PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> > Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
> > http://pcbwizards.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:28 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> >
> > According to what statistical method?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 7:09 PM
> > > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.
> > >
> > > Ian,
> > >
> > > We took a poll and Protel is number two in worldwide
> > > installations (behind PADS).
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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