Hi Nate,
Yes at some point you half to jump in the water!
Unless your afraid of getting your towel wet! :)
Chuck


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Nathaniel Kile wrote:

> Hello Caren,
> I was not answering your question, I was commenting on Ramie's long time
> struggle with Pro Tools. Never the less, you are absolutely right about he
> being the only one who can answer the question.
> 
> Nate Kile,
> Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision LLC
> Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual
> instruction for schools
> Also Private training to your needs
> 907-444-3707
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office
> products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
> www.yourtechvision.com 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25 AM
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools
> 
> Hi Nathaniel,
> while I respect your perspective, the only person who can honestly, and I
> trust without pressure  answer this question, is Ramy.
> If, as you say,  this is along time goal, the question is why?
> Is there something required professionally that can be done no other way? 
> Or,  is there pressure of the far from realistic reasonable or factual kind
> saying that if others are doing this, Ramy  must as well?
> As a professional in your training field, I am sure you understand the
> difference.
> If Sonar meets your professional or personal needs Ramy, there is no reason
> whatsoever to change.
> Personally, your fear about  the situation says a great deal to me.
> While I absolutely resonate with the concept that nothing of value comes
> without effort, agreeing with others here stating that the best teaching
> comes  from practice, there must be a firm deep and needful reason for you
> to  commit.
> There is no other person who knows more about your needs, abilities,
> preferences  or desires than yourself.
> You are the only individual inside your head, and your experience of
> blindness  and everything else begins and ends with you.
> There is no need, or no shame, in defining your work as you prefer.
> If fear is your only barrier however, understand it, and redefine it rather
> than allow it to control you.
> Just my 2 cents,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nathaniel Kile wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunattly Raymie  has been trying to crack this nut for years now.
>> If I had more time I would go and try and help again, he and I spent a 
>> few sessions Face timing years ago with Pro Tools.
>> 
>> Nate Kile, Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision LLC Specialist 
>> in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
>> instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs
>> 907-444-3707
>> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, 
>> Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes:
>> www.yourtechvision.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:15 AM
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Again please, i Need just a starting push in pro tools
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> May I ask an important question?
>> What do you feel you must do in pro tools, that you cannot presently 
>> do in Sonar?
>> Why is this technology change critical for you?
>> Because, there in will lie all the incentive you require to get 
>> moving, if it exists.
>> Does this make sense?
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin 
>> or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and 
>> if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love 
>> comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson
> Mandela.
>> 
>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017, Nickus de Vos wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, the only way you will really learn to use Pro-tools is if 
>>> you
>> force yourself to use it, by basically letting go of Sonar. I of 
>> course assume you want to eventually move over to ProTools permanently.
>>> With this being said it will be harder to do in the working 
>>> environment
>> where you have to get things done every day, where you can't really 
>> afford mistakes or down time.
>>> 
>>> Years ago I had the same when getting my first Mac, I was never 
>>> really
>> going to learn to use Voiceover if I kept going back to windows and 
>> jaws. I started to force by self to use the Mac more and more on a 
>> daily basis, to perform more tasks on it every day.
>>> 
>>> Nickus
>>> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...
>>> 
>>>> On 31 Aug 2017, at 07:36, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> stop using Sonar and you will have to move forward.
>>>> 
>>>> At 10:26 PM 8/30/2017, you wrote:
>>>>> Hi John:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I got them and I finish studying them, but really am so afraid of 
>>>>> using the Protools in my delly work, so, all I need is a push, just 
>>>>> a push
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/30/17, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How about the protools with speech set of audio tutorials?  A bit 
>>>>>> old, but still quite useful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:03:04 -0400, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sorry if I am repost my last email, but, I tried to set with one 
>>>>>>> of my sited friends here, to put my hands on protools, but he 
>>>>>>> fail making me do so, because he is  usng mouse in most of the time.
>>>>>>> so,  Again, I repeat my request, I need someone, to give me just 
>>>>>>> starting push, moving between regents using tab, editing noise in 
>>>>>>> track etc, the difference between Sonar and pro tools makes me 
>>>>>>> feel that am a stranger when using it. so, can anyone give me 1 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> 2 hours from his or her time, specially if he was using sonar 
>>>>>>> before?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Frankly I can pay but not so much because $ here is so expensive 
>>>>>>> in Egypt. so all I can pay is just 20$ or less if requested.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for your support
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>>>>>> Music instructor @:
>>>>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>>>>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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>>>>>> you spend it?
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>         cov...@ccs.covici.com
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