Bloody beeeyootiful Brian - wise words and, well said!
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From: Brian Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; David Kidd
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Date: Saturday, 17 October 1998 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: One Nation
>David, please, no dummy-spitting yet! We just got started on this!
>
>I 'm an ex-Sydney libertarian (yeah, Push) type and worked on Vote
>Informal campaigns in the 60s. I've been in promising new movements,
>including the Democrats for a few years until 1993, and know how things
>change, how egotism/ambition operates and how short the news media are on
>analysis and fairness.
>
>I resisted a lot of 'peer' pressure to join in putting crap on One Nation,
>because I'm a pluralist.and because there's a 90% overlap of their
>'policies' against, say, the Democrats and the wisdom of taxidrivers.
>
>We all have to distinguish between the One Nation manifesto + control
>hierarchy and the One Nation constituency, ie, the masses who turn to it
>because, inter alia, they see no better alternative. I am more interested
>in the latter. They are the people who can possibly make something durable
>and democratic out of the little demagoguic corporation you see at
>present.
>
>Let me add that the 'extremist' One Nation is entirely a logical and
>necessary by-product of the two-party system. I mean, the Lib-Labs
>totally rejected the moderate, restrained, reasonable approach of the
>Greens and the Democrats. Their response was to try and rub out such
>interlopers. Through the need for electoral preference deals, they have
>largely succeeded in neutralising the Dems' & Greens' threat. The lesson
>is that there is no room for politeness, compromise, moderation, etc, if
>you want real reform soon. Hence, One Nation is acting the way you've got
>to act if your interest is in more than cosy parliamentary jobs.
>
>Summary: Unless you're working for Lib or Lab, leave the political
>wildlife alone, including One Nation.
>
>Re HTVs and ballot-rigging, I would rather vote informal than be part of
>any attempt to attack proportional representation by co-sponsoring
>major-party efforts to eliminate new minor-party representation. It is a
>disgrace to Australia that parties like the Nationals and Democrats hold
>parliamentary seats out of all proportion to the size of their
>constituencies--and that this inevitably relates to deals they have done
>with the LIb-Labs.
>
>Cheryl Kernot defected to Labor after the exposure and failure of a plan
>she had devised with Gareth Evans to take the Democrats into some form of
>coalition with Labor. Now, Meg Lees seems to have obtained Liberal
>preferences on a basis of Democrat support for GST. (The food issue is
>probably part of the deal.) So what we now have is Tweedledum, Tweedledee
>and Tweedlethree.
>
>There has to be tolerance for any new movement, bearing in mind that
>organisational change is always possible.
>
>Regards
>Brian Jenkins
>(Perth)
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Saturday, 17 October 1998 5:11
>Subject: Re: One Nation
>
>
>|Albert wrote:
>|
>|>One Nation is currently the only significant party that genuinely
>|>opposes both the ALP and the Coalition.
>|
>|i.e. they support the core position of Neither
>|
>|>The widespread celebration of the fact that One Nation won no seats in
>|>the House of Representatives will also be used as an argument against
>|>Neither's campaign for PR.
>|
>|By Neither's enemies maybe; not by One Nation
>|
>|>We cannot oppose the "two party state" and support PR without admitting
>|>that this does indeed mean we support One Nation being fully represented
>|>along with the Democrats, Greens and other minor parties in a
>|>representative House of Representatives.
>|>
>|>That makes it all the more important for Neither to clearly oppose One
>|>Nation and add them to the list of parties to put equal last, despite
>|>their (anticipated) support for PR.
>|
>|Bullshit Albert! Surely it is possible for intelligent people to agree to
>|work together on some things without necessarily agreeing on everything.
>It
>|may be difficult to get the media to draw the distinction, but that is
>|scarcely good reason for alienating a lot of people who are potential
>allies
>|in achieving your core objective.
>|
>|If it is going to be Neither's policy to join the gang opposing One
>Nation
>|you can take me off this mailing list now, and you can say goodbye to
>|another supporter.
>|
>|Dave
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