Minor changes to ballots have traditionally been allowed in the forum. "Minor" has been left to the discretion of the ballot producer/endorsers but we've seldom seen controversy over that.
-----Original Message----- From: Public [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Rea via Public Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 1:57 PM To: CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <[email protected]> Cc: Scott Rea <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [cabfpub] Ballot 185 - Limiting the Lifetime of Certificates G'day Gerv, is it permissible to change the ballot applicability date without invalidating the ballot? I thought Ryan indicated earlier this week it was not possible to change anything once the ballot process had started...?? Can someone please clarify? Regards, -Scott On 2/11/2017 9:49 PM, Gervase Markham via Public wrote: > On 09/02/17 21:08, Ryan Sleevi via Public wrote: >> Ballot 185 - Limiting the Lifetime of Certificates >> >> The following motion has been proposed by Ryan Sleevi of Google, Inc >> and endorsed by Josh Aas of ISRG and Gervase Markham of Mozilla to >> introduce > > Having endorsed this, I confess I was thinking more about the maximum > certificate lifetime (which I do support as a target we need to get > to, and soon) than about the lead time - which, by the time this > ballot passes, will be about 2 months and a week. Given the level of > ongoing engagement with the question, having agreed to endorse I was > also a little surprised to see us enter the formal discussion period so soon. > > In one sense, the argument that "this is just a change of a number in > some certificate profiles" is right. In another sense, I accept that > it does take time to adjust customer expectations, even if the > different action required by said customer may be a year or more in the > future. > While it might be argued CAs should have asked their customers about > the potential impact of this change after previous discussions, it's > not reasonable to suggest that they should have been preparing them > for its enactment before any ballot was passed. > > There are some ways a lifetime ballot might be constructed to ease > this difficulty, some of which even keep a May date for this first > step, but they are not in the realm of the sort of minor adjustment > historically permitted to ballots during the formal discussion period. > > I therefore request that the applicability date in this ballot be > changed from 1st May 2017 to, at the earliest, 24th August 2017, 6 > months after the ballot voting end date. 6 months has been floated > before as a reasonable lead time for high-impact changes, so I hope > this will remove that point of objection even for those who feel this > change is high-impact. > > As the voting period begins on Thu/Fri next week, I hope we can apply > this change soon, and continue from there with a process of thoughtful > listening and discussion on that basis. > > Gerv > _______________________________________________ > Public mailing list > [email protected] > https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/o8FTtIP44x5_vMa2c3DyH5L-da2_bAdjh5N > lqrk5XQs=?d=HIHHEANkf_jNPxW-Au503ys7yftWHAPY6NCBeRKP6GmtBLZj14KQzChg5c > -xPYqiwFAstuLUkGKFVeFOqOWw_goUM7hyIp3mCd7r00CV7m9ra7mEBc-Pq8-__sHpN1Tj > yoFQ1vnqAiLf7FY-zq4nvVHV3WIkGxPwLNhwddn8kx4focNjAxexcChRwGs-M3d2fq7tmI > tNG6S83h2RtcGsD-2_eG2fk9fiZErFqFPmWE7Br1SOS6_uMZ49z9n89CP6lWfWao7mdaWV > kaWuMTVucXXxU7s8qWiKE7T9zs96sBLiC1jXJWpkoanCUFT5Enrz7n2DhEmRtykyHCzsqg > ZXvst-jF3rODjdBT_LWkDDl_njjQ_Irp99LiiMGEDyVZXKunjnaY_dst9whfoM80ChRQKV > mMjdh__1u7LDiYIDHYU%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistin > fo%2Fpublic > -- Scott Rea, MSc, CISSP Ph# (801) 874-4114 _______________________________________________ Public mailing list [email protected] https://clicktime.symantec.com/a/1/o8FTtIP44x5_vMa2c3DyH5L-da2_bAdjh5Nlqrk5XQs=?d=HIHHEANkf_jNPxW-Au503ys7yftWHAPY6NCBeRKP6GmtBLZj14KQzChg5c-xPYqiwFAstuLUkGKFVeFOqOWw_goUM7hyIp3mCd7r00CV7m9ra7mEBc-Pq8-__sHpN1TjyoFQ1vnqAiLf7FY-zq4nvVHV3WIkGxPwLNhwddn8kx4focNjAxexcChRwGs-M3d2fq7tmItNG6S83h2RtcGsD-2_eG2fk9fiZErFqFPmWE7Br1SOS6_uMZ49z9n89CP6lWfWao7mdaWVkaWuMTVucXXxU7s8qWiKE7T9zs96sBLiC1jXJWpkoanCUFT5Enrz7n2DhEmRtykyHCzsqgZXvst-jF3rODjdBT_LWkDDl_njjQ_Irp99LiiMGEDyVZXKunjnaY_dst9whfoM80ChRQKVmMjdh__1u7LDiYIDHYU%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcabforum.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpublic _______________________________________________ Public mailing list [email protected] https://cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/public
