I'm still uncertain what the logic is behind objections to collecting NetSec 
comments from people (can be CAs, auditors, even browsers) in a master list, as 
opposed to making people post their concerns directly in their own names - that 
has not been spelled out.  And I would note that both Google and Mozilla allow 
people to post materials, including detailed proposals and criticisms, etc., 
using pseudonyms - if that form of anonymity is acceptable on Google and 
Mozilla lists for important matters, it would seem collecting comments in a 
combined document for this project would be acceptable here as well, especially 
for a sensitive topic.  I would think "good ideas" would be welcome, however 
the ideas are provided.

Peter touched on the main reasons why I have offered to combine suggested 
changes to the NetSec guidelines - after which they would be posted immediately 
to the Public list, not the private Management list.  In addition, some CAs 
might feel that in the process of describing why a particular requirement is 
difficult (and unneeded) for them, they may simultaneously be telling the world 
about their internal security configurations, etc.

So to be clear - the compilation, once complete, will go up first on the Public 
list.  And anyone who wants to post suggested changes directly to the public 
list in their own name is welcome to do so.  I'm simply offering an alternative 
for those who want it.  The ideas will all be in the public domain immediately 
thereafter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gervase Markham [mailto:g...@mozilla.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 8:42 AM
To: CA/Browser Forum Public Discussion List <public@cabforum.org>; Ryan Sleevi 
<sle...@google.com>
Cc: Kirk Hall <kirk.h...@entrustdatacard.com>
Subject: Re: [cabfpub] [EXTERNAL]Re: Send us you list of current problems with 
the Network Security Guidelines

On 10/06/17 05:54, Kirk Hall via Public wrote:
> Why do you think it’s detrimental to discussion – I don’t follow your logic?

<elide back and forth>

Is this a question of whether we should default to public or default to 
private? If so, I think that CAB Forum practice is clear - we should default to 
public, and those wanting to keep things concealed have the burden of proof.

As well as the principle, in this case anonymous reports are practically less 
helpful because you can't ask someone "so, what did you mean by that exactly?".

Gerv

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