On Aug 15, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Dustin J. Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote:
> I had no awareness of the office hours (which is probably also my fault), but > that sounds like a great idea. No, it's on me -- I have not been disciplined about promoting office hours and keeping to them. You're totally right that it's about virtuous circles, and giving ARMs love is a huge part of that. Momentum doesn't create itself; it takes a huge effort (one I probably underestimated) to get the wheels moving. JD, Henrik and I are hosting an event at puppetconf that I hope will kick-start this back into virtuousness: http://sched.co/14zaQjw Please (you and anyone else tuned in!) stop by and help figure out how to make this better. (We'll have an G+ hangout or IRC backchannel for this as well, for people who are interested but can't be there in person) I talked with Brandon Burton and the #hangops folks about how they run their hangouts. There's no way to make a recurring public hangout at a known URL, so they tweet out that week's URL before it starts, which i wasn't super happy about but didn't follow through on to come up with something else. > I struggle with the same problem in Buildbot: how do I keep people informed > and solicit meaningful feedback without overwhelming them Yep, exactly. > > One, perhaps unorthodox, technique is something you're already doing - > publicly thank and recognize community members for their contributions and > commitment. That creates a virtuous cycle of higher expectations. It's > certainly a part of why I feel culpable for not reading ARMs! > > Other efforts to engage people with the new ideas may help, as well. The > ARMs are pretty deeply technical documents, so perhaps these hangouts or > office hours can be a place for users to start with a quick summary of the > ARM, and then drill down into potential concerns. > > Luke: the bug about parameterized classes was just the thing that prodded me > to the action of sending this email (I originally typed it in Redmine, but it > was *way* off-topic!). So let's keep talk of that specific issue in redmine. > Your suggestion (errors now, lazy evaluation later) sounds perfectly > reasonable. Thanks for starting this discussion, Dustin. Eric Sorenson - [email protected] #puppet irc: eric0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-dev. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
