thanks for all that. The examples above look like some I found online (not 
specific to Virtualmin) which failed with errors. but maybe there were 
slight differences. I am off work for couple of days now, so will try these 
when I get back. I really appreciate it. you can tell I am new, once I get 
over these few hurdles I am sure I will be fine. 

@stephen yes I agree, I just wanted to cut it out until I got the rest 
working, one less thing that may cause errors! one step at a time :)

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