Don't have time to fully comment on this, but just some additional
background:
The Python Wiki is a community effort, not a PSF one. It doesn't need
the PSF to give it credibility (that's a very strange idea, TBH). The
PSF only provides the hosting.
Please also note that we have three wiki instances (all run on the same VM):
* The Python Wiki (which is what we're discussing here):
https://wiki.python.org/moin/
* The PSF Wiki (which is mostly private to the PSF, but does have some
public pages as well): https://wiki.python.org/psf/
* The Jython Wiki (which is used by the Jython team):
https://wiki.python.org/jython/
The PSF doesn't have to use the wiki (neither the Python nor the PSF
one), but the PSF did use the PSF one quite a bit in my time on the
board and some years afterwards. It has also used some pages on the
Python one for e.g. public board nominations, since people needed to add
themselves to the pages and this was only possible on the public wiki.
On 12.03.2025 14:04, Elena Williams wrote:
I feel as though at least at this stage the wiki is tightly coupled to
PSF in a way that isn't just infra. In principle the raison d'etre for
the wiki at all is at its core about python. The association with PSF
gives this "place"/wiki the credibility to be a place worth keeping
this stuff. Additionally, at a practical level literally the PSF board
and WGs /must/ use the wiki for their business (or so I've heard). We
can dismiss the idea of it being PSF related but that could
technically be a misrepresentation.
Looking if there's any obvious prior art, and oh my, found these:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonWikiTasks
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonWikiChanges
Note, in my original link it is:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/WikiTasks -> redirect to PythonWikiTasks.
The evidence suggests we are not the first people to have this
conversation.
I'm looking forward to actually digging in, that's for sure. I really
want to test the assumption that there is a need for this.
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 at 10:14, Mats Wichmann <m...@wichmann.us> wrote:
On 3/11/25 16:34, Elena Williams via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Heya!
>
> I'm interested in making a plan for capturing editors, but there
are
> things to unpack.
>
> I have notes ready that I'm happy to add to a new page in the
wiki, but
> looking at the "RecentChanges" I see that there isn't a page
relating to
> this that has been added recently (as far as I can tell!). Is
that correct?
>
> I am very happy to make a new page and put my notes and analysis
so far
> there?
...
> I don't mind the idea of something like "PSF Wiki upgrade" or
maybe even
> back to the original idea of "PSF Wiki WG"? (naming things is hard)
Yeah, we all know the jokes...
There are 2 hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation,
naming things, and off-by-1 errors.
That's a lot of research, wow!
How about something like WikiRefreshDiscussion (being pedantic I'd
actually attach the year to it as well like
WikiRefreshDiscussion2025,
somehow I've gotten really sensitive to the staleness topic - not
just
for the Python wiki, as I've noted). I wouldn't include PSF in the
name
- again, personal opinions - it's not really a PSF guided thing,
even if
it may live on PSF infra.
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