Hi all,

Dan wrote:
> I think you should consider changing domain names.  I don't think the 
> name Pylons is bad, just combined with the domain pylonshq.com it just 
> doesn't stick.  I'd suggest using pylonsframework.org for the following 
> reasons:
> 
> .org - Eludes to an open source/non-profit.   If Pylons is open 
> source/non-profit I think its a feature that you should mention to your 
> visitors... I didn't see licensing information anywhere on the homepage?
> 
> pylonsframework - Eludes to Pylons being a framework right in the 
> domain.  I'd click on a URL for pylonsframework.org before pylonshq.com.

My view is that we shouldn't change domain names unless we can get 
pylons.org or pylons.com, both of which I will continue to investigate. 
There is no point in changing domains because it will simply cause 
problems with existing links. Even though Ben has registered 
pylonshq.org I don't think we should change for this same reason.

Also I know tech people like .org but lots of business people think .org 
is what you get when you can't get .com. I know it is ridiculous but I 
have an easier time selling Pylons as a attentional product when it is 
hosted a .com address compared with a .org so I'm keen to keep it that 
way if possible.

I agree with Ben that we should add some sitemap data and mention 
Headquarters somewhere, people often ask what the HQ stands for.

> In general, the things that brought me to Pylons was the 1) speed and 
> libraries of Python and 2) MVC development.  Both are not even mentioned 
> on  the homepage.  It should be in the first paragraph.  WSGI seems 
> important, even if I didn't know why, but not a reason I'd choose Pylons 
> over another framework.  Its not something that I would say in the first 
> paragraph.   I'd say that most people care about two things: speed (both 
> development time and application performance) and stability.  These two 
> key points should be the focus of the introduction, to grab the visitors 
> attention.  I do think Pylons is flexible, which can be a feature, but 
> it can also be a hindrance... especially for newbies.  Thats tricky.
> 
> I hate to mention the word, but 'screencasts' is almost a standard.  It 
> wouldn't hurt if someone could put one together.
> 
> I hope that I'm not coming off as being overly critical.  Pylons is a 
> great framework.  Keep up the good work!

Really appreciate the comments, very helpful!

Just thinking about the possibility of an Egyptian theme for the logo 
but temple Pylons don't look visually too exciting either. I'm open to 
the idea of changing the name of the project actually but only if people 
have very compelling alternatives and the whole community gets totally 
behind the idea.

By the way I've added some notes about the discussion to this page:
http://docs.pythonweb.org/display/pylonscommunity/Pylons+Logo

If anyone wants to get started on some sample text for any of the 
website pages feel free to create a page off the one above and make a 
start! We can always move pages around to a more appropriate location 
later if necessary.

Cheers,

James

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