On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I want to start off by saying that I'm a huge python advocate and that > I've been developing web applications in python for the last 3 years. > > I decided to check out Rails a few months ago to see what the fuss was > about. Although I was turned off by Ruby's syntax I really liked > Rails. Here's a few things Rails does better than Pylons. hehe same here, ruby is just too ugly. > > - HTML layouts can be automatically associated at a controller or > application level. You can do this with Mako or Genshi but with Rails > it's "out of the box" and very intuitive I didn't follow this one. Isn't that what base.mako is supposed to do?
> > - Honestly.. I found Active Record way easier to use than SQLAlchemy. > You create a very simple mapping file that literally has two lines in > it and you have a database ORM. > well I got mixed felling about this, I agree with you at the start but when things need to go complex Active Record just fails. We had this problem with TurboGears and SQLObject, in fact this is one of the reason's why SQLAlchemy ws born. And it was THE reason why we (turbogears and pylons) switch over. That said I'll prefer elixir + SA, it will give you the best of both worlds. > - Rails has partials which are essentially tags. This makes it very > easy to reuse HTML templates as widgets across your app this is the beauty of mako's functions, on the other hand you have ToscaWidgets and several other packages. > > > If you are a pylons person you owe it to yourself to try out Rails and > get a sense of another framework. I truly believe that Pylons can be > improved with a few minor features. So as you can see it's all about the paradigm, you can do everything just need to look at it a little bit. As a side note this is the purpose of TG2, while pylons lets you plug-in almost anything anywhere, a TurboGears (since it's "standalone" TG1) goal is to provide the best of each one of the available parts. > > > Chad > > > > > On Feb 23, 7:48 pm, "Mike Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Gavin E. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > SO HERE'S MY QUESTION: Is there any other MVC, in any language, which > > > divides their MVC into more unique/swap-able pieces than Pylons? I > > > see the future of web-based apps based on these interchangable 3rd > > > party components. > > > > Pylons is just a glue of user-friendliness on top of Paste. The only > > code native to Pylons is that which does not adequately exist in > > lower-level projects. I challenge you to find what in Pylons *could* > > be broken up into smaller pirces. > > > > WebOb was recently created as a framework-neutral request/response > > object. If it becomes widely used outside Pylons, it will bring > > another level of interoperability on top of that which WSGI provides. > > > > As for a similar product outside Python, not that I've seen. Python > > has attracted a large number of people who like to tinker with web > > frameworks, and thus has a large number of web frameworks. These > > framework tinkerers have an allergy against other people's monolithic > > frameworks. So WSGI was brought in to rectify the situation. If we > > can't bring the number of frameworks down to one, let's at least make > > them more interoperable. > > > > Perl, Ruby, Java, and PHP went a different route. A few people > > created a framework in each of those languages, and most users just > > used it rather than writing their own framework. This has been > > attributed to how easy it is to build a framework in Python. If you > > look through the Paste docs, it even tells you how to make your own > > personal framework. :) > > > > If you're looking for something to do, you might want to look for > > shortcomings in Pylons' component/interoperability model and suggest > > improvements. > > > > -- > > Mike Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
