On Tuesday 25 November 2008, Dalius Dobravolskas wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Uwe C. Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is it you want to achieve with this crusade? More popularity? I > > guess all you'll get is annoyed core developers. > > I don't care about popularity at all. If I care I have chosen the > wrong path. There are two things I care about: > 1) I want to understand. That means I must be a little bit annoying. > You know - like a little child with thousand questions. Do you know > better way?
So what is it you want to understand? That the one thing is basically the same as the other? The thing is that if you don't read the docs and you don't care about the implementation details, no matter which of the solutions available you chose, either one of them will not fit your bill. > 2) I want Pylons becoming more attractive to newcomers. That's really > important in small country like mine (3 millions people) where it is > very hard to find Python programmers. I don't speak about Pylons even > (I know 5 Pylons programmers from my country). It's hard to find python programmers in the US too - not so small (about 300 million). Point is, whenever I approach a client (or prospect), all I hear is "Microsoft is the market leader". So in the end, unless you find someone who is willing to jump the fence, it doesn't matter what the solution is. It doesn't evene matter which one is better or worse. All that matters is what some CEO's without any technical knowledge at all think. So the point I'm trying to make is that MARKETING is the key to success, not better software. I know of that multi billion $$ company that produced crap for over 20 years and is still the market leader - not because the software is good, but because the marketing is good. Sad as it is, that's all that seems to count these days. > > > Personally I don't care at all how the auth framework really works. > > There are people who care. Do you want to say that just because you > don't care I shouldn't discuss? Feel free to discuss as much as you want. I just read the whole thread and to me it looks like there isn't really an argument. You say WSGI, others say "Plugins" - I just wanted to say that the difference isn't really there. All solutions require some kind of coding if you want uncommon behavior.. But hey, you need custom stuff, you program custom stuff - that's how it's always been (and probably will always be, simply because I have yet to see a solution to any problem that provides 100% coverage). In German we call that "Eierlegendewollmilchsau" - tough to translate, basically an imaginary animal that provides any kind of produce from fur to eggs. > > So just because you think the WSGI approach is superior to anyone else's > > approach, doesn't make it useable for many. > > I completely agree. That's completely unimportant what I think (It's > more important what I do). Time will show who's right and who's > wrong... > > P.S. OK. I got it. I have annoyed you... It's pretty hard to annoy me. I think the only person on the planet who can do that is my wife :-) I don't even mind you arguing endlessly on something where I don't really see a major difference. Code for this, code for that - in the end it's coding for something. I just can't resist a good argument :-) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
