i rarely use stored procedures because everything I would put in one
is easier/faster to handle in the webapp

however i make **HEAVY** use of complicated views so that:
- i don't deal much with multi-layered orm objects ( like looping
though table.joins or table.join.joins )
- i don't deal with writing complex select statements in the orm
- i only deal with the ORM to basically get and new/save single-level
objects
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