Hi everyone,

We are developing a new NIH web portal for freely preparing 3D print files from 
molecular, microscopy, and medical imaging data. The website is in public beta, 
so you may see some changes in the final release, but this email thread seemed 
like a good opportunity to make you aware of it. Anyone can browse and download 
files, but only registered users can create and upload 3D printable files to 
share.

If you have the PDB code, you can simply type it in (under "Create") and our 
tools will generate several different representations of the protein(s) that 
should be directly printable. Alternatively, if you have a custom PDB, you can 
simply upload it and get the same kind of output.

Please give it a try and let us know what you think!  http://3dprint.nih.gov

Thanks,
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From: David Hall <li...@cowsandmilk.net<mailto:li...@cowsandmilk.net>>
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:48 AM
To: Grateful Frog <gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>>
Cc: 
"pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net>" 
<pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net>>
Subject: Re: [PyMOL] Pymol wrl output

if you're just typing the command, you can type "as surface" (or "show_as 
surface") and it will only use the surface representation. The menu I'm talking 
about is the letter [S] next to each object on the RHS of the screen. The first 
line under Show: is as, which pops out another menu where you can choose 
representations.

-David


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Grateful Frog 
<gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
HI David,

Thanks for that tip.  I didn't understand where the menu show > as > surface is?

But, I did "Hide everything", then "Show Suface" and Shapeways liked it!

So I now have a working solution!

Thanks EVERYONE!

This is a great support mailing list!

Ciao,
Bob


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, David Hall 
<li...@cowsandmilk.net<mailto:li...@cowsandmilk.net>> wrote:
Have you tried doing show > as > surface

It appears the wrl file has a bunch of extra information from the cartoon 
representation, which could confuse shapeways?

-David


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:49 AM, Grateful Frog 
<gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jared &  everyone,

First, thanks for all your help. I really appreciate it and am sorry to be such 
a noobie here...

I am using the Pymol GUI (1.7).

I've created a shared 
folder<https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B122hIUVdAXaWHN1X3dkS2VrQ1k&usp=sharing>
 with all my files so you can test with them if you like.

The important files are:

  *   TMD11.pdb : the source model
  *   TMD11Ultracmyk.wrl.zip : the output file from Pymol which fails to 3D 
print at Shapeways. THIS IS THE FILE THAT I WANT TO PRINT!
  *   TMD11UltracmykMesh.wrl.zip : the wrl output from MeshLab starting from 
the wrl from Pymol, which does print at Shapeways.

My process is:

  1.  File / Open TMD11.pdb
  2.  show surface
  3.  Display / Quality / Maximum Quality
  4.  Display / Color Space / CMYK (For Publications)
  5.  File / Save Image As / VRML 2
  6.  end

I do not know what is wrong with this file since Shapeways does not provide any 
useful error message.

If I save the model as a single color wrl file, it can print fine.

Thanks again for any help!

Ciao, Bob.




On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Sampson, Jared 
<jared.samp...@nyumc.org<mailto:jared.samp...@nyumc.org>> wrote:
Hi Bob - I've tried exporting several different types of models to .wrl in both 
RGB and CMYK color spaces, and haven't seen any colors output with negative 
values.  For example, this works fine for me:

fab AAA, polyala
python
for rep in ["lines", "spheres", "sticks", "surface", "cartoon"]:
    cmd.show_as(rep)
    cmd.save("rgb_%s.wrl" % rep)
    cmd.space("cmyk")
    cmd.save("cmyk_%s.wrl" % rep)
python end

and it results in no instances of diffuseColor on the same line as a negative 
number in any of the output wrl files (as determined by: `grep -e 
"diffuseColor.*-" *.wrl` ).

Could you be more specific with how you're generating the colors in your PyMOL 
session (perhaps with a minimal script that reproduces the problem), and/or 
post a bit of the output .wrl file, showing in particular anywhere you see a 
negative color value?

Thanks,
Jared

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Xiangpeng Kong Lab
NYU School of Medicine
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________________________________
From: Grateful Frog [gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 1:53 PM
To: Sampson, Jared
Cc: Marcelo Marcet; 
pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net>

Subject: Re: [PyMOL] Pymol wrl output

Hi,

I tried it in white WRL as you suggested and that loaded into Shapeways ok.  
Green would also load...

The same file, then set to CMYK colors (menu DISPLAY / COLOR SPACE / CMYK )  
would not load...

Any help would be great!

Thanks for all this!

Ciao,
Bob


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Sampson, Jared 
<jared.samp...@nyumc.org<mailto:jared.samp...@nyumc.org>> wrote:
Hi Bob -

The reason you're getting these errors is because having negative values in a 
color tuple is not meaningful (you can't have a negative amount of color), and 
results in undefined behavior.  RGB colors use a number in the range 0.0-1.0 
(inclusive) for each value in the tuple.  What color are you using for your 
model before exporting VRML?  Try setting everything to white (`color white` on 
the command line) and see what that does.

Cheers,
Jared

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Jared Sampson
Xiangpeng Kong Lab
NYU School of Medicine
kong.med.nyu.edu<http://kong.med.nyu.edu>
________________________________
From: Grateful Frog [gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 7:07 PM
To: Marcelo Marcet
Cc: pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [PyMOL] Pymol wrl output

these are the errors that Shapeways sent back:
----
Unfortunately, the model you recently uploaded TMD11Ultra.wrl did not pass our 
initial printability checks, so it's not yet ready for 3D printing. 
Printability Error:

  *   Model failed during repair. This is likely due to problems merging shells.

Please visit your 3D model page to update your 
file:http://www.shapeways.com/model/upload-and-buy/1932482<http://www.shapeways.com/model/upload-and-buy/1932482?etId=14290783&utm_source=automated-contact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=model-processing-failed>

Our tutorials and 
FAQ<http://www.shapeways.com/support?etId=14290783&utm_source=automated-contact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=model-processing-failed>
 can be super helpful for more detailed information, or you can always ask the 
community a specific question on our 
forum<http://www.shapeways.com/forum?etId=14290783&utm_source=automated-contact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=model-processing-failed>

If you're stuck or have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out at 
serv...@shapeways.com<mailto:serv...@shapeways.com>. Please include the file as 
an attachment to the email, as well as any notes on your design, so we can help 
you solve your problem as quickly as possible.

Additional non-critical errors:

  *   Invalid field, unparsable value, name: Material.diffuseColor , value: 
[-1.0, -1.0, 1.0]. Value ignored.
  *   Invalid field, unparsable value, name: Material.diffuseColor , value: 
[-1.0, -1.0, 1.0]. Value ignored.
  *   Invalid field, unparsable value, name: Material.diffuseColor , value: 
[-1.0, -1.0, 1.0]. Value ignored.

-> this goes on for tons of lines...



On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Grateful Frog 
<gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Marcelo,

Thanks for your help and suggestion!

I did that and the surface is much nicer.

However, the Pymol rendering in VRML still won't load to Shapeways without 
error.

I have to re-render in VRML in MeshLab.

My goal is to do it all in Pymol.

Any more ideas would be great!

Ciao,
Bob


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Marcelo Marcet 
<mmar...@nait.ca<mailto:mmar...@nait.ca>> wrote:
Hi Bob,

Before you save your file from pymol try increasing the quality to max, then 
save as VRML. This increases the number of polygons in the file and after 
exporting from meshlab the final molecule will look a lot smoother.

Cheers,
Marcelo

On May 2, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Grateful Frog 
<gratefulf...@gmail.com<mailto:gratefulf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this list and to this tool.  I have encountered a problem with 
> exporting as wrl in pylolk 1.7 that I compiled on my Ubuntu 12.04 platform.
>
> I load a PDB file and it displays fine.
>
> I then type the command "show surface" and this works fine, too.
>
> I then save image as VRML 2, and write the file to disk.
>
> This file can be visualized fine in MeshLab.
>
> However, it cannot be 3D printed at Shapeways. The error message does not say 
> what is wrong.
>
> The work-around that I have found is to open the wrl file, generated by 
> Pymol, in Meshlab and re-save another copy as wrl, but generated by Meshlab. 
> This new file can be 3D printed at Shapeways.
>
> However, the look of the surface is not as nice when it comes out of Meshlab, 
> as it is in Pymol...
>
> Any thoughts would be great!
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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