On 4/10/07, Francesc Altet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Dieter, > >[...] > > Well, these are my ideas about all of this. I would like to here more comments > because I might be wrong. But in principal, and due to the reasons exposed > above, I'm not terribly enthusiastic about the Launchpad site for PyTables. > > Cheers, > > -- > >0,0< Francesc Altet http://www.carabos.com/ > V V Cárabos Coop. V. Enjoy Data
Hi Francesc, I totally agree with your concerns, and if I can't dispel them with the following comments, I'll happily remove PyTables from LaunchPad. Don't worry...won't hurt my feelings :') First, let me say that I would like to dedicate myself to Pytables because my work is totally data centric and Pytables/Numpy is/will be at the foundation of it. I've greatly respected this project and have wanted to contribute since way back. I'm a full-time, at home, programmer, and my only work is my project. My thoughts are that.. what I need to develop for my project, could be enhancements to, and auxiliary compliments of, Pytables core. Believe me, I respect your time and will always effort to avoid consuming it, and contribute to pytables an autonomous way with respect to your leadership. Lastly, just so you know me a little better, I have been self-employed all my working life, sticking to commitments I make is quite important to me. As for LaunchPad let me say this, and then I'll remove the registration on your say so. > - It looks like a completely new PyTables site. This means that, at minimum, a > big warning should be put in the home page (https://launchpad.net/pytables) > saying that this is an *alternate* site so as to easy the branching of > PyTables and make it clear that this is its *main* purpose. Besides being a vehicle to promote community contribution to a project, the purpose of the launchpad framework is also to tie in the communication from the end-users, distro package managers, and to the upstream developers, Distro package managers can also create a long term branch of the project for specific distro configurations. Bugs have the ability to be cross-referenced along the project's entire stream. The functionality of the site is still in progress. From what I see, seamless cooperative features are continually being enhanced. There is a link to the Pytables home page in the middle of the page. It isn't blaringly noticeable and should be improved (I made a request). For now, what I did was edit the project description to display links for the Home Page; How To Use; Bug Reports; the Mailing List; and the Source Forge page. > - Launchpad has sections for reporting bugs and asking questions. A naive user > that finds this site first might tend to think that this is a good place to > file bugs or asking questions about official branches of PyTables and it is > clearly not. Currently, the bug reporting system is disabled for pytables. I believe that it can be enabled to *integrate* with Trac at the pytables home site. Also, when a question is asked, emails can be configured to go to a "support contact" (Which can be me, who will filter them) or a notice (with a link) can even go directly to the pytables mail list. See the following links for more: >From the following page: https://launchpad.net/+about For facts about launchpad "bug reporting" click: Bugs->FAQs or Bugs->Application tour For facts about launchpad "answers" click: Answers or Answers->FAQs or Answers->Application tour For facts about... etc. Also you can go through: https://launchpad.net/projects/?text=launchpad > - As it is another place where users can find PyTables sources, we should care > to maintain a minimum coherency between the main home (www.pytables.org) and > this one. For example, the logo that you have chosen for it is ok, but what > if we want to change it anytime soon? we must remember to update this site as > well. Of course, this task is a trivial one, but it is just to let you know > that it is *another* site to administer, and seriously, having to maintain > both a MoinMoin and a Trac instances already in pytables.org is already a > fair amount of work. As I mentioned, I want to help with pytables. And I think launchpad will be a great enhancement for all of the oss community, which I strongly support. If, at any time, something isn't working out, the project registration there can be removed (you, Ivan, et al, can also be registered as pytables project team developers for full administrative privileges). But, I also know that in a little while, I'll have earned your trust as a pytables contributor. > On the other hand, while contributing code for a project is important for an > open source project, I think that contributing *good* code (i.e. code that > integrates well, that provides real new features and well documented) is key. > And frankly, adding facilities which allows for loosely coupled development, > although apparently is a nice idea, I don't think it is going to help too > much to make a better PyTables. Well, obviously nothing is integrated in pytables main development without acceptance from you all. Once I'm completely familiar with the code base, which will be soon, I'll happily pre-filter any proposed patches. Also, any branches, thanks to bazaar, are completely independent and down stream. Lastly let me say, I think this is a nice framework and has even greater potential. Also, I know that you may also be concerned by, the possibility of, over enthusiasm on my part that will vanish in short time without notice. Well, I'll have to prove that that won't be the case. Ok, tell my what you think. If it's a no go.. no problem, I'll have it removed. -Dieter ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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